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Old Apr 2, 2010 | 07:09 PM
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I see you got some riding in. So hows the 255 cam working out??? Is it a big difference or do you feel you still need more?
Does your dads still have more grunt than yours or are they even now?
 
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Old Apr 2, 2010 | 07:27 PM
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I'm curious too but I'm patient to hear the details after the weekend when they have more miles in. Hope the wives don't mind a long trike ride on Easter Sunday!
 
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Old Apr 3, 2010 | 07:18 AM
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The wife and I put about 150 miles on with a mix of 2 lane a freeway. So far I like the SE255, it has a nice punch on the bottom end and pulls to touch over 4,000 rpm. I've been getting 32 mpg which is better than the best of 27 mpg I was getting before I made the changes. I believe combination of the Jackpot head pipe and the SE255 cam has brought both mine and my dads trikes to about equal in performance. The 2nd weekend in May my dad and I will be taking a trip to Wellsboro where we will be able to compare fuel mileage and temperatures.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2010 | 11:07 AM
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I like my Son took a nice 110 mile putt after work yesterday. I did not get on any freeways but ran 60 to 65 mph on the 2 lane. I got 35 mpg and it had a little more punch than last year. I shifted up into 6th gear to see how much pull it had. While it did not snap my neck it did have more pull than last year. Normally I am still in 5th gear at 65 mph. I only shift into 6th gear at 70+. All in all I am happy with the change in the cams, 10 row Jagg oil cooler, and M3 tune. Who knows what the future will bring. My Son and I have a hard time leaving them alone. I am very fortunate that he does all the wrenching.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2010 | 11:38 AM
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I'm real curious to find out the differents between the SE 255 & Wood TW6-6 cams in terms of pulling from bottom to mid rang and gas mileage. So far the TW6-6 sound good to me.
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Old Apr 3, 2010 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SEAlaskan
I'm real curious to find out the differents between the SE 255 & Wood TW6-6 cams in terms of pulling from bottom to mid rang and gas mileage. So far the TW6-6 sound good to me.
Butch
The differences as I see them. The SE255 should not impact the warranty, after all it's their Stage 2 cam. The SE255 hits real hard on the bottom end and then signs off a tick over 4,000 rpm. The CCP on a 103" engine with flat top pistons and the SE255 cam is about 200 pounds at seal level. Now the Woods TW6-6, if you read Magnusen Moss Warranty act it is up to the Moco to prove the modification caused the failure. The TW6-6 doesn't hit quite as hard on the bottom as the SE255 but it will carry the power in excess of 5,500 rpm providing the engine is moving enough air and fuel. The CCP with the TW6-6 is right around 187 pounds at sea level. The reduction in CCP is due to the later intake close of the TW6-6 @40 vs the SE255 @25. The lower CCP is a blessing for those who can't get good gas, 91 octane with 10% ethanol is evil when your running 200+ CCP. The lower CCP of the TW6-6 will allow you to run that crummy gas and not run into pinging issues.

As my dad has said, we have a hard time leaving things as they are until we hit the perfect combination. If I was a betting man I would put money on us both switching to the TW6-6 this winter. For us a cam swap is a pretty cheap thing because it only cost parts since the labor is mine and I'm cheap (Read Free). Actually I enjoy it because it give me and my dad something to do in the winter and I enjoy hanging around the garage and BSing with him.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2010 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by oldmsocko
I like my Son took a nice 110 mile putt after work yesterday. I did not get on any freeways but ran 60 to 65 mph on the 2 lane. I got 35 mpg and it had a little more punch than last year. I shifted up into 6th gear to see how much pull it had. While it did not snap my neck it did have more pull than last year. Normally I am still in 5th gear at 65 mph. I only shift into 6th gear at 70+. All in all I am happy with the change in the cams, 10 row Jagg oil cooler, and M3 tune. Who knows what the future will bring. My Son and I have a hard time leaving them alone. I am very fortunate that he does all the wrenching.
As a flip side apple to an orange comparison. Today the wife and I went 150 mile on my 06 Ultra, the outside temp was 84 degrees. The highest oil temp I saw was 210 and I got 37 mpg. It was a mix of 2 lane and freeway with the average speed on the 2 lane being around 60 mph. My 06 Ultra is 95" with a Head Quarters Touring build. This consist of Head Quarters 10.1 compression spec pistons, their 0039 cams and head porting. I use a Supertrapp Supermeg 2.1 exhaust with 16 disk and a closed end cap. The bike was tuned on a dyno and made 104 hp and 100 ft/lb torque, I did leave some on the table because the tuner didn't bother messing with disk count and I was ok with that. I use a Jagg 6 row oil cooler and Mobile 1 15w-50 oil. Normally when they switch us to the warmer weather gas blends my mileage will improve to an average of 43 mpg.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2010 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by msocko3
The differences as I see them. The SE255 should not impact the warranty, after all it's their Stage 2 cam. The SE255 hits real hard on the bottom end and then signs off a tick over 4,000 rpm. The CCP on a 103" engine with flat top pistons and the SE255 cam is about 200 pounds at seal level. Now the Woods TW6-6, if you read Magnusen Moss Warranty act it is up to the Moco to prove the modification caused the failure. The TW6-6 doesn't hit quite as hard on the bottom as the SE255 but it will carry the power in excess of 5,500 rpm providing the engine is moving enough air and fuel. The CCP with the TW6-6 is right around 187 pounds at sea level. The reduction in CCP is due to the later intake close of the TW6-6 @40 vs the SE255 @25. The lower CCP is a blessing for those who can't get good gas, 91 octane with 10% ethanol is evil when your running 200+ CCP. The lower CCP of the TW6-6 will allow you to run that crummy gas and not run into pinging issues.

As my dad has said, we have a hard time leaving things as they are until we hit the perfect combination. If I was a betting man I would put money on us both switching to the TW6-6 this winter. For us a cam swap is a pretty cheap thing because it only cost parts since the labor is mine and I'm cheap (Read Free). Actually I enjoy it because it give me and my dad something to do in the winter and I enjoy hanging around the garage and BSing with him.
I'm the same way when it comes to leaving thing alone. My warranty is up on Dec. 8th so I'm not going to worry.
Sooo, what your saying is if I go WT6-6, I would gain more low end and I would hold that gain clear through to 5,500 rpm over stock. Which would give me better starts on hills, towing a trailer (loaded) and from what TheJimer said maybe get a little better millage cause it would take less throttle to hold speed, or am I dreaming?
The 255 sounds like it would be to much power at the botton end, right?
The trike is close to the way I like it now as for being peppy goes, I need just a little more for the hills when I loaded.
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Old Apr 4, 2010 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by SEAlaskan
I'm the same way when it comes to leaving thing alone. My warranty is up on Dec. 8th so I'm not going to worry.
Sooo, what your saying is if I go WT6-6, I would gain more low end and I would hold that gain clear through to 5,500 rpm over stock. Which would give me better starts on hills, towing a trailer (loaded) and from what TheJimer said maybe get a little better millage cause it would take less throttle to hold speed, or am I dreaming?
The 255 sounds like it would be to much power at the botton end, right?
The trike is close to the way I like it now as for being peppy goes, I need just a little more for the hills when I loaded.
Butch
Yes you will gain more low end which should help with the starts to a point. What hurts the Triglide is the gearing, they should have made the primary ratio lower which would have helped the area where you start letting out the clutch to get it rolling. Any time you make more power you use less throttle opening to do the work which means mileage should improve some. I wouldn't say the 255 is to much power on the bottom end, with these chunky trikes bottom end power is what you want. The pitfall with the SE255 is due to its late intake closing it builds to much compression and has very little overlap which makes it a emission friendly cam because it holds heat in to burn more of the emissions. The TW6-6 has a later intake closing lowers compression and the increase in overlap should aid in cooling because it will let more heat out of the cylinder.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2010 | 06:10 PM
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OK, another thought. Brother and I were talking about the SE 255, TW6-6 and so on. What I thought maybe the ticket would be the Baker DD-7, but he dosn't think the DD-7 would be stronge enough. So what about changing out the primary gearing and installing the TW6-6. Change the primary gearing so it'll take less effort to move the trike which would help me with the stop/starts on the inclines? Also this would make 6th gear more usable. This trike will seldom see anything above 70 mph.
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