Flash Tuning
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Flash Tuning
I'm new here, so cut me a little slack.
Here's my scenario: just picked up a 2006 Softail Deluxe, fuel injected total stock 88. Just did a 10k service. Stock exhaust, no O2 sensors. I want to do a stage one, slip ons and intake. I live in CA. The goal is to cool her down a bit, the very lean factory settings are not good. CA emissions suck, how do I get this ride tuned? Not putting it on a dyno, not cost effective IMO. I'm a bit perplexed. I'd spend money on a tuner, future upgrades to come. Ideas?
Here's my scenario: just picked up a 2006 Softail Deluxe, fuel injected total stock 88. Just did a 10k service. Stock exhaust, no O2 sensors. I want to do a stage one, slip ons and intake. I live in CA. The goal is to cool her down a bit, the very lean factory settings are not good. CA emissions suck, how do I get this ride tuned? Not putting it on a dyno, not cost effective IMO. I'm a bit perplexed. I'd spend money on a tuner, future upgrades to come. Ideas?
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Being your in CA your options are limited to say the least. Most places won't even ship parts to you. You might have to be creative in your approach to getting work done. Have parts shipped to a friend out of state and pick them up or he can reship them. Of even take the bike to AZ or NV to have it done. Call Fuel Moto and see what they suggest. They have supplied the parts and tunes for 3 of my bikes now....Good luck on your project....
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Thanks, I appreciate your input. The parts are not a problem, I have family in AZ. Ironically, Cobra is located 20 miles from me, yet I can't walk in and buy what I want! My concern is the tuning process in itself with my setup.
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If I was in the OPs position and could get the parts, I would get a full exhaust system with O2 bungs instead of slip ons and have Fuel Moto setup the Power Vision with a Stage 1 map. The OP can follow instructions, lots of good DIY videos online, flash the ECM with the FM tune and fine tune with the auto tune feature. Not a dyno tune but pretty close. There are tuners in Cali and a dyno tune is cost effective. Most Power Vision tuners sell a "license", about $100-$150 in my neck of the woods, which saves the customer the price of the Power Vision hardware/software; plus the cost of the tune. IIRC, the Power Vision tuner with auto tune runs about $700. A $150 license and a $400 tune is cheaper.
Don't know where the OP is in Cali but Chris Rivas tunes in Fresno and Greenrock Performance tunes in Ventura; there are others, just need to search. Don't know the OP but Stage I is likely to lead to future upgrades and the Power Vision will come in handy then.
Don't know where the OP is in Cali but Chris Rivas tunes in Fresno and Greenrock Performance tunes in Ventura; there are others, just need to search. Don't know the OP but Stage I is likely to lead to future upgrades and the Power Vision will come in handy then.
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Thanks for the info. I'll run the numbers again, I don't think that route is cost effective. IMHO, I don't think HD headers get enough credit, they're decent at the very least. Hence, slip ons at half the cost of complete exhaust. Except for the fact of no O2 sensors. I'll look into welding bungs in the existing pipes. And being as I'm in CA (So Cal, Orange County), will, for example, Vance & Hines, upload maps for me when I get to Stage 2? I reached out to them as I like the FuelPak, they have yet to respond.
With changes I will be making in the next year or so, dyno tune is just too costly in the long run. I want the ability to auto tune when I make changes, my understanding is the tuning is pretty reliable. Not a dyno, I get it, but not $400-$500 a pop either. It's just a bit confusing, I'm still learning!
With changes I will be making in the next year or so, dyno tune is just too costly in the long run. I want the ability to auto tune when I make changes, my understanding is the tuning is pretty reliable. Not a dyno, I get it, but not $400-$500 a pop either. It's just a bit confusing, I'm still learning!
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I would second the Fuel Moto route. The advantage to getting one of their tuners is that it will come setup with a tune for your bike. According to them last night when I called about my new PV3, "they all come with a tune". The other advantage to FM is when you decide to go to Stage 2, they will supply you with a map free of charge as long as you purchased the tuner from them. I did a stage 1 on my 114 Eagle Eye RGS and they supplied the tuner and tune, I recently added a FM Jackpot Header and Woods 22X-E cam and I just filled out the form and in a few days had a new tune ready to go. Good luck on your project.....
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If bike isn't equipped with O2 sensors makes any of the auto tune options useless, PV does have an option for tuning without O2's but I can't see how it could accurately calculate VE without input from O2's. I have the AT Pro (wideband) kit for my PV and have been able to tune the earlier bikes successfully with that but that will put you over the cost of a proper dyno tune and results will not be as precise. Last PV license I bought from Fuel Moto was $220, that was last month.
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Thanks Warrior, you're the first to mention the lack of O2's is an issue. Which leads to a question: how does a dyno tune perform, there still are no sensors? Does the ECM get "fooled" into thinking sensors are there? A qualified tuner knows how to manipulate the program in some form or fashion to get a legit tune? O2 sensors on the twin cam 88 came about in 2007 (I think), and this year's (2006) model was the first non O2 sensor EFI motor. And the first thing we want to do is exhaust/intake to get her breathing better, the only option would be to install complete exhaust with sensors, then flash Tuning becomes a possibility? I hope I'm making sense, again, just trying to get some education and understand the best route to take for now and future upgrades. I will be changing cams (low to mid range torque), get rid of the spring tensioners and upgrade to a high flow oil pump, that's about all the future changes in store.
