Will EITMS engage when clutch switch isn't depressed

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Aug 20, 2019 | 10:09 PM

#21

Bowhunter8607

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Originally Posted by Hlgsn1

If the bike is in gear....no go. Don't matter 2 hoots about the switch. Needs to be in neutral stopped and hot.

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Originally Posted by Hlgsn1

Says different in the manual but this is the way mine works. It don't come on when in gear at a light.
Yes it starts fine in gear, switch is good

Interesting because mine kicks on with the clutch pulled in and in gear especially on 90+ degree days. I'll record it for you guys next time it does it. We have a few 90+ degree days in the forecast so I'm sure it will activate at some point during my ride to and from work.

And yes I need to have my switch replaced. It's annoying when I make a quick stop and have to fool around with pulling in the clutch a few times to get it to engage or put the bike in neutral. Plus it's a safety issue.

Last edited by Bowhunter8607; Aug 20, 2019 at 10:15 PM.

Aug 21, 2019 | 07:24 AM

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Hlgsn1

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Originally Posted by P51Driver

Think you're incorrect EITMS does engage with the bike in gear with the clutch pulled in

Maybe i am relaxed at a stop. I am not sitting there squeezing the clutch hard enough.
It comes on often enough. It idles with a funny sound, kinda takes away the "cool" factor..lol
It does what it is supposed to.
I usually pop in to neutral at long lights so maybe i am to quick for it to kick on in gear.
I will monitor more closely, the manual clearly states it should work in gear clutch pulled in.

Aug 21, 2019 | 04:07 PM

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P51Driver

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Well I figured out how the clutch switch affects EITMS. If I idle with the bike in gear and make sure I squease the clutch lever all the way in the EITMS engages. When I release the clutch lever just a little bit the EITMS disengages. Then if I squease the clutch lever again the EITMS engages again. Now with the bike in neutral the EITMS engages without squeasing the clutch lever. So it does seem that the clutch switch does come in to play with the EITMS when the bike is in gear.

Aug 21, 2019 | 04:34 PM

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Bowhunter8607

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Originally Posted by P51Driver

Yes I verified this today as well. So just because they don't mention it in the manual or that bulletin doesn't mean it's not part of the operation of EITMS. So we proved my interpretation of the manual and bulletin wrong!

Haha.

Since my clutch switch has been acting up, I rode around today for lunch until EITMS kicked on. I pulled over and began my test.

I sat with the bike in neutral to verify that EITMS kicked on almost immediately after the bike is in neutral. I then blipped the throttle to deactivate EITMS then pulled the clutch in put the bike in gear and nothing.

I then slightly let the clutch out and squeezed it in hard like I need to do to start the bike while in gear and bam! EITMS activated almost immediately. I confirmed this result a few times and took a video which I will post later.

So with that said, have your switch looked at or maybe find a way to shim it so it engages every time the clutch is pulled in.

Also the video I will post later will confirm that EITMS will activate while the bike is in gear. Those of you who said it hasn't on their bikes may want to have the clutch switch inspected as well.

Good information to know and I was definitely proven incorrect going off of the print. Glad I as well as P51 Driver could definitively answer the question.

Last edited by Bowhunter8607; Aug 21, 2019 at 04:38 PM.

Aug 21, 2019 | 09:52 PM

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AJ88V

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Best to just admit my ignorance, as I wasn't even aware that my Low Rider has EITMS and the referenced SB M1436 above states that it applies to 2017 and later, stating "This information appliesto all 2017 Touring models,Police models,Trike models and CVO Touringmodels."

So how does one know if the EITMS is kicking in? I have noticed that sometimes the bike goes into a "fast idle" mode - only slightly faster - seems smoother, and sounds different. Is this it entering the EITMS mode?

FWIW, I usually sit at lights in neutral and the bike pulls away from a stop just fine without blipping the throttle or doing anything special.

Aug 21, 2019 | 10:43 PM

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P51Driver

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Originally Posted by AJ88V

Yep sounds like you have EITMS engaged and the increase in rpm at idle is normal.

Aug 22, 2019 | 01:16 AM

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OldMike

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Originally Posted by AJ88V

Best to just admit my ignorance, as I wasn't even aware that my Low Rider has EITMS and the referenced SB M1436 above states that it applies to 2017 and later, stating "This information appliesto all 2017 Touring models,Police models,Trike models and CVO Touringmodels."

So how does one know if the EITMS is kicking in? I have noticed that sometimes the bike goes into a "fast idle" mode - only slightly faster - seems smoother, and sounds different. Is this it entering the EITMS mode?
FWIW, I usually sit at lights in neutral and the bike pulls away from a stop just fine without blipping the throttle or doing anything special.

EITMS cuts out one cylinder so it acts as an air pump to cool the engine, the bike will idle rough. I never herd of fast idle mode, when does this happen? If it happens when you're coming to a stop, it's a sign of a bad clutch switch or bad clutch switch engagement, like when using an aftermarket clutch lever that doesn't push the switch enough.

Aug 23, 2019 | 05:09 PM

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jpplaw64

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My EITMS won't kick in unless I'm in neutral and clutch lever not pulled in. The EITMS idle is higher on mine, around 1000-1040 rpm. I do need a new clutch switch though, she will not start in gear at all even when clutch is pulled in all the way.

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Aug 23, 2019 | 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jpplaw64

My EITMS won't kick in unless I'm in neutral and clutch lever not pulled in.

That is because your clutch switch is bad.

Aug 27, 2019 | 09:26 AM

#30

MrLongbeard

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Had EITMS kick in on my Fat Bob yesterday.
Idle increased to 1k rpm and it sounded / felt rough as a dog, was a tad disconcerting as I'd skipped over the EITMS section of the owners handbook, being in the UK I reckoned it'd never get hot enough to kick in