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Old Sep 18, 2021 | 11:30 AM
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Hi! This is the opposite of the usual problem, so unsure how to address.
2019 FXFBS - I wanted to swap my chrome levers out with the black ones - bought the HD ones (non-adjustable). Install was fairly simple - followed the video at

The clutch lever is great (actually feels a little bit easier to pull - which makes no sense) - I verified that the clip at the bottom is in the right position.

However, the brake lever is really tight - as in, almost no play. With the old lever, I could pull it about half an inch or so before it would start applying the brakes, and even then, it was relatively gradual/smooth. I could never pull the brake lever more than half way in (so, it was not spongy/soft) - it was just right. With the new lever, it has almost no play. So, squeezing the brakes is using the tips of my index/middle fingers - where as with the old lever, I got max brakes when the lever was close to my middle knuckle.

The brake lever doesn't really seem to have any adjustments that I could have screwed up (that I could see) - and I didn't open the brake reservoir at all.
Any suggestions on how to make it a little softer? (I could buy the adjustable ones as a last resort, but trying to avoid spending another $250-$300 for that)
 
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Old Sep 18, 2021 | 07:37 PM
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This really sounds like an installation error. I wonder if your brakes are actually working. It's a stock lever. There is a switch mechanism in there to light up the brake light. I suggest you remove the lever and get a close look at how the parts assemble. If you don't have a shop manual this might be a great time to buy one, comes in handy for lots of stuff. Good luck getting it sorted out!
 
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Old Sep 18, 2021 | 07:43 PM
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This really sounds like an installation error. I wonder if your brakes are actually working. It's a stock lever. There is a switch mechanism in there to light up the brake light. I suggest you remove the lever and get a close look at how the parts assemble. If you don't have a shop manual this might be a great time to buy one, comes in handy for lots of stuff. Good luck getting it sorted out!
Thanks. I do have the shop manual and verified the steps after looking at the video. The switch mechanism is working right (brake light turns on only when I pull on the lever, and the brake pads stop the front tire as expected (only when lever is pulled).
Looking at the shop manual, there really does not seem to be a way (that I see) to screw it up. Things either fit, or they don't. Only thing I can think of is that the part of the lever that depresses/activates the brake fluid is a tad bit too long? Very confused...
 
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Old Sep 18, 2021 | 07:54 PM
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Roger that. I guess you could remove the lever and lay them side by side for a close comparison.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2021 | 08:18 PM
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You could also bleed the brakes if you have not already done so. And if you have ABS or linked brake system, and have not flushed the brake fluid, now is the time to do so. Might also want to pull your caliper and check your piston function and make sure they retract all the way.

If you have ABS have you started the bike up and checked how the lever works with all the systems powered?

When you removed the stock lever, did you shim it like the manual calls for? By releasing the piston in the master cylinder you may have pumped the master cylinder up some. Try a short bleed (release of pressure at the bleeder) on the front brake system, then check the lever play.

Just some random thoughts of things to be checked.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2021 | 10:18 PM
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You could also bleed the brakes if you have not already done so. And if you have ABS or linked brake system, and have not flushed the brake fluid, now is the time to do so. Might also want to pull your caliper and check your piston function and make sure they retract all the way.

If you have ABS have you started the bike up and checked how the lever works with all the systems powered?

When you removed the stock lever, did you shim it like the manual calls for? By releasing the piston in the master cylinder you may have pumped the master cylinder up some. Try a short bleed (release of pressure at the bleeder) on the front brake system, then check the lever play.

Just some random thoughts of things to be checked.
Thank you! This bike does have ABS. I have not flushed the brake fluid yet. I rode the bike for about 50 miles - brakes work fine - just not enough play

I did shim the lever to prevent damage to the brake light button, I will try the bleed tomorrow (have to read up on how to do that first)

Thanks again!
 
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Old Sep 19, 2021 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CoolBreeze3646
You could also bleed the brakes if you have not already done so. And if you have ABS or linked brake system, and have not flushed the brake fluid, now is the time to do so.

When you removed the stock lever, did you shim it like the manual calls for? By releasing the piston in the master cylinder you may have pumped the master cylinder up some. Try a short bleed (release of pressure at the bleeder) on the front brake system, then check the lever play.
Flush was done at 5k miles, but I did bleed the brakes. That did not help unfortunately. (I figured it would help if brakes were spongy and wanted to make it firmer).
Thanks for the suggestion anyway.
 
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Originally Posted by jj14x
Flush was done at 5k miles, but I did bleed the brakes. That did not help unfortunately. (I figured it would help if brakes were spongy and wanted to make it firmer).
Thanks for the suggestion anyway.
My 2019 trike lever does not have any play in it, begins to engage as soon as I pull the lever. I'm thinking you may have had a tiny air bubble in the master cylinder and removing the lever and putting a new one on let the air bubble escape back into the fluid reservoir. Just my hypothesis. As long as it is not engaging the brakes when you are not pulling on it all should be well.
 
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Originally Posted by CoolBreeze3646
My 2019 trike lever does not have any play in it, begins to engage as soon as I pull the lever. I'm thinking you may have had a tiny air bubble in the master cylinder and removing the lever and putting a new one on let the air bubble escape back into the fluid reservoir. Just my hypothesis. As long as it is not engaging the brakes when you are not pulling on it all should be well.
Likely, yes. Having that play on the lever did make it easier to engage the brakes - this is bothersome enough where I may take it in to the shop to see what alternatives there are.

Thanks again
 
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Old Sep 19, 2021 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jj14x
Likely, yes. Having that play on the lever did make it easier to engage the brakes - this is bothersome enough where I may take it in to the shop to see what alternatives there are.

Thanks again
Did you try putting the old lever back on to see if it changes anything? Does not take long to swap brake levers.
 
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