marshallb, Yes, the American Hardbag team modified the crossover housing to fit under the fairing. I have them mounted like this:



So, I guess my description above is lacking this detail, and I don’t remember if both of the 6.5”s are behind these crossovers, but I THINK they are not. I believe that the wiring harness coming out of the amp splits before the crossover feeding the crossover (which then feeds the upper fairing and small tweeters); and feeding the lower 6.5”s separately.

 

That seems pretty messed up did you install this? I know you bought it from AHB but who put it in.

I have some recommendations but I may have a few more questions.

I assume you bought lids? I'll look in your OP to see if it says.

 

Okay found the post that mentions lids. Put that BT amp on the shelf or classified. Then IMO think about buying an SD800.4 2ohm amp. Also consider swapping the hat 6x9s and horns for a coax 6x9, I like the mmats 690cx. If you do those two things you could use the DA amp bridged on the 6x9s and the SD amp bridged to the comp set in the fairing and the spls in the lowers. I am making an assumption here that the dsr1 can sum, but most DSPs can. I think this would put you more in the ballpark.

 

Why would you swap out the hat 6x9 and horns for a coax 6x9? I can see changing up his amp strategy but wouldn’t the horn and hat 6x9 be louder with better sound? Just curious.

 

Look at it from an impedance and power stand point. 2 ohm 6x9s and 4 ohm horns. Each needs it's own power and DSP channels. As we say here so often strategy. If op chooses to mount more than 2 amps and that's his choice. I was working with his $500 budget and having a more complete strategy. There is a dozen things he could do this is simply my opinion as stated.

 

Okay, So after a TON of research and a few phone calls here is what I think I understand:

My current Micro84u is capable of powering all 8 of my current speakers, and it sounds pretty good, BUT it is definitely NOT maximizing the capabilities of any of the speakers. The distortion I get sooner than expected when adjusting the front 6.5”s is because the MPK 165s push through lower frequencies than the SV 165s do, so the MPKs distort sooner than the SVs will. AND the tiny little tweeters that come with the MPKs are okay for smaller setups, but not really the right fit for what I’m doing. In general, the MPKs and included tweeters would be a solid combination with my BT2250 if I just wanted a two speaker upgrade from the stock setup.

Since that’s not what I’m after, the guys at American Hardbag recommended:

OPTION 1:
- Pull the MPK 165s, passive crossovers and included tweeters out of the upper fairing
- Replace the MPK 165s with another set of SV 165s to match the lowers (so that the MPKs don’t distort before maxing out the SVs)
- Replace the small tweeters with the Diamond Audio MO75T horns in the upper fairing grills
- Leave the Micro84u powering everything (Channels 1& 2: four SV 165 6.5”s and two MO75T horns in the front; Channels 3 & 4: two 6x9s and two ST25 horns in the lids)
- Leave the DSR1 as is
(cost ~ $600 - $700 more)

They said that this configuration will be louder and clear up front, but have a little less bass because the SVs don’t push the same bass that the MPKs do. My wife already says the 6x9s and ST25s are too loud for her back there when I turn it up.

My thought that I ran by them was:

OPTION 2:
- Remove the MPK passive cross-overs and small tweeters
- Put the DA MO75T horns up front in the upper fairing grills
- Leave the two MPK 6.5”s in the upper fairing
- Leave the two SV 6.5”s in the lower fairing
- Leave the Hybrid Audio 6x9s and ST25 horns in the lids
- Get another 4 channel amp (thinking Diamond Audio HXM800.4D or Maybe SD800.4s EVO and putting it in the fairing as amp 1 and moving the Micro84u to the saddlebag as amp 2)
- Put the two MPK 6.5”s on Channels 1 & 2 of amp 1
- Put the two SV 6.5”s on Channels 3 & 4 of amp 1
- Put the two 6x9s on Channels 1 & 2 of amp 2
- Put all four horns in parallel on Channels 3 & 4 of amp 2
- Reconfigure the DSR1 to account for the 8 channels. They felt that they could leverage the Sub outputs from the DSR1 for the two 6x9s. If not, I’m debating on a second DSR1 OR pulling the DSR1 altogether and just using my BT Line Leveler to flatten the stock GTS EQ and controlling the tune from the amps.
(cost about $1,400 - $1,600 more)

They said that my suggestion would definitely produce quite a bit more sound and give more control over the tuning of each speaker, but faced with the prospect of selling me even more stuff still encouraged me to strongly consider their recommendation as a first step, then if I still thought I needed more add the second amp and separate everything to different channels as another step.

In light of their response I thought of another potential option that may be more of a hybrid approach:

OPTION 3:
- Pull the MPK 165s, passive crossovers and included tweeters out of the upper fairing
- Replace the MPK 165s with another set of SV 165s to match the lowers
- Replace the small tweeters with the Diamond Audio MO75T horns in the upper fairing grills
- Replace the Micro84u with the HXM800.4D OR SD400.4S Evo powering everything (Channels 1& 2: four SV 165 6.5”s and two MO75T horns in the front; Channels 3 & 4: two 6x9s and two ST25 horns in the lids)
- Leave the DSR1 as is
(cost ~$1,000 more)

If I go with Option 3, I would already have the Micro84u on hand if I felt like I needed to get a little more and separate everything to it’s own channel for better tuning capabilities. At that point it would just be an RCA cable from the DSR1 to the saddlebag; Power to the saddlebag; a bond in amp mounting plate; and some changes to the speaker wiring. If I didn’t decide to go bigger, I could sell the Micro84u and the MPKs and recoup a little of my costs... But I just keep thinking, why go that far and not spend a few hundred more to go with Option 2?

I’m sleeping on the decision, but I think I’m leaning toward just doing it all now with Option 2 and being done with it.

So, my new question to all of you is what do you think of these three options?

 

I would put it all in a box and send it back. Their advice to you is horrible.

 

What is your actual purpose here haze324? Do you have an actual suggestion? Maybe just describe the monster setup you have and I can copy it exactly.

I’ve asked no less than four times in this thread what “you” think I should do. You’ve taken the time to compose two messages that have a combined practical value of F^ck@LL. Your wit notwithstanding, do you have anything productive to add or are you just practicing your troll skills where you can’t add any actual value so you just **** on everything as you troll by?

Thanks for being so helpful. I’ll take the great advice you’ve given and put it right to work.

 

If their advise is not good, what about OPTION 2 that I came up with?

OPTION 2:
- Remove the MPK passive cross-overs and small tweeters
- Put the DA MO75T horns up front in the upper fairing grills
- Leave the two MPK 6.5”s in the upper fairing
- Leave the two SV 6.5”s in the lower fairing
- Leave the Hybrid Audio 6x9s and ST25 horns in the lids
- Get another 4 channel amp (thinking Diamond Audio HXM800.4D or Maybe SD800.4s EVO and putting it in the fairing as amp 1 and moving the Micro84u to the saddlebag as amp 2)
- Put the two MPK 6.5”s on Channels 1 & 2 of amp 1
- Put the two SV 6.5”s on Channels 3 & 4 of amp 1
- Put the two 6x9s on Channels 1 & 2 of amp 2
- Put all four horns in parallel on Channels 3 & 4 of amp 2
- Reconfigure the DSR1 to account for the 8 channels. They felt that they could leverage the Sub outputs from the DSR1 for the two 6x9s. If not, I’m debating on a second DSR1 OR pulling the DSR1 altogether and just using my BT Line Leveler to flatten the stock GTS EQ and controlling the tune from the amps.

Is this a horrible idea? How would you make it a better plan that I could use to order components this weekend?

 

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