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Old Feb 8, 2020 | 01:23 PM
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I know you're frustrated but there's a lot of truth to what everyone is saying. Here's a suggestion though.
Keep diamond amp use it for the mpk's and st25 horns. Get a soundigital 800.4 4ohm or similar spec amplifier and either Beyma 6p200nd or faital rs140 6.5s to replace you're 6x9s and make a adapter plate for them and horns for your lids. Use the sd800.4 to power new 6.5s and sv165 each pair in parallel. You will need to do some adjustments in your dsp but unfortunately I am not well versed with the dsr1. Here's a n example of how it would work... I know it's not pretty

 
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Old Feb 8, 2020 | 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by InthewindMN
If you like the sound of what you have but it’s not loud enough, then add a second amp. Doing that will separate things for better control plus give each speaker more power. Moving the amp you have to power just the 6x9 and horns then putting the front on another amp is a good place to start with less investment. Mastering the dsp to tune it to your ear is also huge. You could be getting distortion early due to poor tune.

I think the biggest reason you haven’t gotten a lot of advice is because not many people here have experience with those components in your system so it’s hard to give accurate advice.
Thank you @InthewindMN @Biggzed and @c_mancuyas8!

I did some testing tonight after I got back from working on painting the bike and @InthewindMN you are 100% right, separating everything to individual channels definitely cleaned things up and seemed louder.

I disconnected everything, pulled the MPK junk tweeters and crossover out entirely then ran just the MPKs off channels 1 & 2 of the Micro84u and adjusted the tune on the DSR1. I was able to turn the amp all the way up and it never distorted (unlike before) which makes sense because the speakers can handle 110 watts and the amp is only pushing 90 watts per channel.

Then I put the SV 165s on channels 3 & 4, unplugged the MPKs and did the same thing. Again amp all the way up and the speakers never distorted, which again makes sense because they can handle 200 watts as @c_mancuyas8 graciously illustrated.

Just for the sake of trying, I then put the BT2250 on the Sub channels coming out of the DSR1. I left the ST25 horns in line since they have similar power specs (which is a disappointment as I was under the impression that the Hybrid Unity 6x9s wanted 150 watts), but that did NOT work. The BT2250 is presumably pushing way too much power and when I turned on the bike the 6x9s made a LOUD “pop” sound. So I disconnected the MPKs front channels 1 & 2 on the Micro84u and connected the 6x9s and ST25s in their place. I didn’t put the amp all the way up, since the 6x9s are rated lower than the 90 watts it pushes, but both the 6x9s and ST25s sounded very clear and louder than they had been.

So, the answer to optimizing the speakers I have is definitely a second amp, and the SD800.4S c_mancuyas8 mentioned seems to be a solid fit pushing 110 per channel which matches the MPKs perfectly. Leaves a little on the table for the SVs, but would probably be the smartest and most economical move. The Diamond Audio HXM800.4D is $200 more and only pushes 10 more watts per channel.

@c_mancuyas8 Your idea of replacing the Unity 6x9s is very interesting, and both the Beyma and Faital 6.5s you listed are VERY compelling. It got me thinking that maybe I should pull the MPKs and put the Faitals in the upper fairing, but I don’t know what amp could fit in the fairing and push the 200 watts they and the SVs could handle. Realizing that the Unity 6x9s are only 75 watt speakers (though they sounded pretty good) definitely got me thinking about alternatives. Since I already have the Micro84u and it is sized about right to power the Unity 6x9s on channels 1 & 2, and then the horns on channels 3 & 4 I may just keep it for now, but it got me thinking about maybe looking for a 5 channel amp for the saddllebags to run better 6x9s (or somehow convert to 6.5”s like you suggested) on channels 1 & 2; the horns on channels 3 & 4; then perhaps an 8” or 10” in the saddlebag too. Is that the way to go, or should I get a third amp if I put in an 8” or 10” sub? In either case, if I add a sub, I assume I’d need another DSR1 because it only has capacity for 8 channels. Is that how folks with more than 8 channels do it.. multiple DSR1s, or is there another way to manage it? Since I’m now knee deep in all of this, I would like to know what it would look like if I added a 10” sub to one of the bags. What sub and what amp should I use?

The options I’m now considering are:

Option 1:
  • Add an SD800.4S and use it to drive the two MPKs and two SVs
  • Move the Micro84u to the saddlebag and use it to drive the Hybrid 6x9s and four horns
Option 2:
  • Pull the MPSs and replace them with the Faital 6.5s
  • Figure our what amp to use to drive two Faital 6.5s and two SVs
  • Move the Micro84u to the saddlebag and use it to drive the Hybrid 6x9s and four horns

Option 3:
  • Figure out what amp and sub to get to add to the saddlebag
  • Depending on if the sub needs a dedicated amp figure out where to use the Micro84u and 2nd/3rd amps
I appreciate you guys sharing your expertise here. I’m WAY less dumb today than I was yesterday. Still dumb, just less so.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2020 | 09:47 PM
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You could use a 2ohm 800.4 and parallel those 4ohm speakers. That would give them 200w each.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2020 | 06:29 AM
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Here's my setup, it is similar to what you are trying to reach I think and might clear it up on how you can make everything work, don't have subs though I have midbass 10s or 8s in each bag. (For competition purpose I switched 10s for 8s to compete in 6 speaker class) unless you have some really solid fiberglass bags I would not chose subs over midbass.I have the Dayton dsp, 800.4 and the 250.1 in the fairing but it was tight. Only amp in the bag is the prv amp for bag speakers

Dsp 8ch
12 10s or 8s
34 faital
56 prv
78 horns

Amp- soundigital 800.4 4 ohm
Fairing- faital 6rs140 8ohm
Lowers- prv 6mr500 8ohm

Amp- Sd250.1 1 ohm
4 horns (in fairing)

Amp- PRV Am1h nano 2 ohm
Prv 10mb800ft 10s
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Ciare hw205 8s


 
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Old Feb 9, 2020 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by c_mancuyas8
Here's my setup, it is similar to what you are trying to reach I think and might clear it up on how you can make everything work, don't have subs though I have midbass 10s or 8s in each bag. (For competition purpose I switched 10s for 8s to compete in 6 speaker class) unless you have some really solid fiberglass bags I would not chose subs over midbass.I have the Dayton dsp, 800.4 and the 250.1 in the fairing but it was tight. Only amp in the bag is the prv amp for bag speakers

Dsp 8ch
12 10s or 8s
34 faital
56 prv
78 horns

Amp- soundigital 800.4 4 ohm
Fairing- faital 6rs140 8ohm
Lowers- prv 6mr500 8ohm

Amp- Sd250.1 1 ohm
4 horns (in fairing)

Amp- PRV Am1h nano 2 ohm
Prv 10mb800ft 10s
Or
Ciare hw205 8s
Outstanding, Thank You! This definitely gives me a play book to follow. And, beautiful ride man!

I would definitely have to put two amps in the bags, somehow with the speaker pods vents and glove boxes that big shark nose doesn’t have a ton of room in it.

I think I’l start with the SD800.4 to drive the four fairing speakers and maybe a SD400 to drive the 6x9s and horns if I can fit that little guy under my stereo, if not maybe reuse the Micro84u if I have to put it in the bags. Probably as a next step, I’ll swap the Hertz speakers for some more powerful ones. Then if I’m willing to lose bag space and need some more bass I’ll pull the 6x9s out and put one 8” in each bag with another amp, or leave the 6x9s and add the 8s but I’d have to look at DSP options then because I’ll have all 8 channels full.

Thank you SO MUCH for all your help!
 
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Old Feb 9, 2020 | 07:42 AM
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Before you say it won't fit and rule out out amp in the fairing,the new x series is about to drop and it is half the size! If I was in the market to buy a new amp it would be on the top of my list! Just fyi
Also need to plan ahead for the speakers you want to run and wiring strategy bc that amp is 2 or 4 ohm if you use the faitals in the future you'll want 4ohm because they're 8ohm speakers. If going with 4ohm speakers you'll want the 2ohm version
 

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Old Feb 9, 2020 | 08:33 AM
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The Massive TX48 might also be an amp worth considering? I have picked one up, but haven't installed it to try it out yet.
I believe it fits in the shark nose and has some decent specs wattage wise. Depending on speaker choice, it may need dialed back a little, or the other option would be to wait for the new SD amps coming out.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2020 | 08:33 AM
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Where do you live? My recommendation, and I can offer you suggestions, is to find a reputable shop to help you out. There is so much incorrect info in this thread, and I understand it’s just not knowing how stuff works, but it gets glossed over and for the money you’ve spent and sounds like you are willing to spend you should have a tier 1 high caliber set up.
 
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what you say you want and the direction you are going seem like 2 different things to me, I'm far from an expert here, but have been reading and listening to the guys here for the last several years, I wanted like you a rider, and a simple setup, nothing in the bags just lids, I'm far more concerned with clean and great SQ than loud as hell, I will tell you I can hear mine just fine at 100 in my full face, I can even hear the lids ok with a little fader adjustment. I also wasn't super concerned with cost, I ended up with a Focal Sport amp(which I'm sure would handle another set of coaxes in your lowers) driving the front Hertz 1650.3 woofers and some Diamond Audio 6X9 coaxial subs in the lids, I just added a small soundstream pn2.350d nano amp to drive some of the new Diamond Audio MO75T tweeters that I mounted in the grills ,no DSP everything is in the fairing. I think it sounds awesome, loud and clear. not cheap stuff but well within what your looking to spend. and compact and simple setup.
 

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I wish Mike lived closer I'd like to hear his setup. Still haven't laid ears on the DA 6x9 subs.
 
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