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Dec 28, 2015 | 01:28 PM

#161

BigDogIdaho

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https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...0EF595&fsscr=0

Now I can't find the video that shows a NON ABS bike stopping in a shorter distance. I'll keep trying to find it.

Found it!!

Shows that a person who knows how to use brakes will stop in a shorter distance. I realize this is on perfect road conditions but shows what some won't tell you. I'm hoping someone can find one that shows this on less than ideal road surfaces.

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Dec 28, 2015 | 02:31 PM

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fxdlx

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Originally Posted by NORTY FLATZ

ABS braking systems should be outlawed. They are inferior to standard braking systems. They do nothing to shorten braking distances. In fact, ABS is shown to lengthen 60 to 0 braking distances by 8+ feet. And thats on clean, dry asphalt. The difference is even more dramatic in rain. On dirt? Forgetaboutit! You got no brakes!

That's why I'll never get a bike with ABS or linked brakes.

Dec 28, 2015 | 03:43 PM

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Durango Dave

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ABS is a controversial topic.
It is possible for a professional motorcyclist to stop faster without ABS but for the average motorcyclist they shorten the distance. More importantly they allow the average cyclist to maintain control. When someone pulls out in front of you people panic. If you panic and lay it down you'll slide. The advantage of ABS for cars and motorcycles is they reduce crashes because the driver is able to maintain control.

http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/...ckBraking.aspx

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/n...akes/index.htm

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safe...on-motorcycles

http://www.therideadvice.com/abs-mot...otorcycle-abs/

Dec 28, 2015 | 03:45 PM

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BigDogIdaho

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Here's one on the dirt. Did not realize it was that bad.

Dec 28, 2015 | 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NORTY FLATZ

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Originally Posted by Greezey Rider

Oh Now you've gone and done it!!!!

You're gonna get the ABS nerds riled up.....

I agree with you though.....

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Originally Posted by fxdlx

That's why I'll never get a bike with ABS or linked brakes.

Uh, guys...guys...I don't think he was serious.

ABS has nothing to do with stopping faster than traditional brakes. Nothing. The purpose of ABS is to not allow the brakes to lock. That's why it's absolutely possible for a skilled rider to stop faster on traditional brakes vs ABS.

Of course, skilled riders aren't the ones putting 'er down.

Dec 28, 2015 | 03:56 PM

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BigDogIdaho

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Originally Posted by Durango Dave

Is the driver able to "maintain control"? I would think the driver is not in control in either scenario you gave. If you just blindly grab brakes I do not feel that is "control".

I will agree ABS takes out the element of human error and makes vehicles safer. Notice I said vehicles and not drivers. The driver not having to think is not safer, but probably more of a danger.
It's like seeing drivers around here who have never driven in snow. They think that their all wheel drive Subaru with ABS (and all the other safety goodies) will take care of them. Then they find out they can't stop on ice and slide through the intersection hitting a car or child walking to the nearest snow covered hill to do some sledding.

I'm afraid all these "safety features" are making people worse drivers/riders. They get complacent and think everything will be okay because their vehicle practically drives itself. This is where panic comes in because things didn't happen the way they just knew they were going to happen.

Dec 29, 2015 | 04:59 AM

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Warp Factor

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I'll agree that ABS will vastly worsen stopping distances on dirt or loose gravel.

I will also agree that a skilled rider can sometimes stop faster on pavement without ABS, if they have had a chance to explore the traction available from that particular road surface.
But in normal street riding, we'll be riding on roads with ever-varying friction coefficients, and these will even change on the same road surface according to the time of day, and the road-surface and tire temperature. That's not even mentioning moisture on the road surface, which can happen even in dry weather from air conditioner discharge from cars, particularly at intersections where they may have been sitting for a few minutes. Nor is it mentioning traction variations from oil buildup on the road (although that's much less of a issue than when I first started riding. At one time, the rule was never to ride in the center of the lane where cars dripped oil the most).

So in a real-life emergency situation, I think there's little chance of even the most skilled rider being able to apply threshold braking nearly as well as ABS can.

(No, none of my bikes have ABS)

Last edited by Warp Factor; Dec 29, 2015 at 05:13 AM.