Cooling a WG
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From: South of Mordor
I agree with cggorman, this is a great thread. I have been pondering over different methods for cooling the oil down, can't wait to see the results and how it looks.
The cooling tubes, is the part you trimmed down just a plastic or rubber that covers a metal tube or is it all metal? Would like to know the process you used to trim them.
Maybe when you're all done, can you put together an itemized list of parts and maybe where to get them, along with a rough cost to complete the build.
The cooling tubes, is the part you trimmed down just a plastic or rubber that covers a metal tube or is it all metal? Would like to know the process you used to trim them.
Maybe when you're all done, can you put together an itemized list of parts and maybe where to get them, along with a rough cost to complete the build.
Cruiser
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From: houston tx
Never liked the idea of barb fittings for oil under pressure. I know many use them just fine, but that's just me. Was very pleased with AN fittings on my Ultracool oil cooler. Not a drop of a leak. Was a bit nervous tightening them, as there seems to be a shortage of torque specs, at least when I was installing. Mostly "1/4 turn past the point of contact" which I really didn't like. But it's worked so far. When I pick up the filter relo kit I'll get the one with AN as well. Don't recall the maker at the moment though.
http://www.3guyz.com/vtwin-motorcycl...tegory=1575036
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One thing I am absolutely committed to - is keeping my opinion the hell out of this..., and allowing the data (temp deltas) to speak for itself
Used a horizontal band saw - but a hack saw would work just as well
Rounding - $650 bucks.., which includes the reusable oil filter
Wimmer = $300.00
https://www.wimmercustomcycle.com/Oil-Cooler-Dual.php
Hose / connectors / adapters - Summit..., $100
Jegs / Smileys..., or any of a dozen other sources also work
https://www.summitracing.com/search?...eyword=-6%20an
All -6 AN
Hose - 10'
-6 - 90 degree females - qty 4
3/8 NPT to -6 straight - qty 4
1/4 NPT to -6 straight - qty 2 (these fit into the oil filter off set)
-6 straight - qty 2 (then after mock up - have the below on order to allow for better hose routing from the oil filter off set to the oil coolers)
-6 an female hose - 45 degree - qty 1
-6 an female hose - 90 degree - qty 1
-6 an female hose - 120 degree - qty 1
-6 an female hose - 150 degree - qty 1
Oil Filter offset - Amazon..., $150
Oil filter - Amazon.., $100
Ghost
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From: Detroit
There's not really much surface area on those "cooling tubes", compare to a real oil cooler. It might be slightly better than nothing though.
Also, one can often get higher flow from flexible hose bends, than from AN fittings.
Also, one can often get higher flow from flexible hose bends, than from AN fittings.
Road Master
Joined: Feb 2009
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From: Murrieta Ca.
<SNIP>Was thinking on this last night - and want to do a straw pole
I do have a digital cooking thermometer - and plan to stick that down the oil fill hole
So - where should I measure temps (w/ the pyrometer)
How long after shutdown..., and within what window of time frame
Nemo
Not to put you on the spot - but you're good at this sort of ****
Any ideas..., and anyone else w/ an idea - also chime in
We get some sort of consensus - then we can use it as a valid comparison
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Then..., whether X amount of temp delta is worth it.., or not - is an individual call
Ghost
I do have a digital cooking thermometer - and plan to stick that down the oil fill hole
So - where should I measure temps (w/ the pyrometer)
How long after shutdown..., and within what window of time frame
Nemo
Not to put you on the spot - but you're good at this sort of ****
Any ideas..., and anyone else w/ an idea - also chime in
We get some sort of consensus - then we can use it as a valid comparison
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Then..., whether X amount of temp delta is worth it.., or not - is an individual call
Ghost
Just saw this, sorry I'm late to the party,
(1) Where should I measure temps (w/ the pyrometer)
Side of the oil pan where you can get a straight shot at it with the pyrometer, a black surface is preferred, measure the same spot every time.
(2) How long after shutdown..., and within what window of time frame
1 to 2 minute after shutdown.
(3) I do have a digital cooking thermometer - and plan to stick that down the oil fill hole
Good plan, 2 to 3 minutes after shutdown.
Actually its more important to do your temperature sampling at the same time, every time, in the same order for the most accurate data collection. Don't worry about the instruments being dead nuts accurate as your looking a before and after modification temperature change, the differential temperature will most likely be very accurate.
That's all I have... Mike
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From: Texas
This'll be the testing
Pyro on the oil pan - same points pre / post - 1 to 2 min after shutdown
Cooking thermo probe down the oil fill - pre / post - 2 to 3 min after shutdown
Lookin to see what / if any - temp delta exists
Thank You Both
Ghost
(1) Side of the oil pan where you can get a straight shot at it with the pyrometer, a black surface is preferred, measure the same spot every time.
(2) 1 to 2 minute after shutdown.
(3) digital cooking thermometer - Good plan, 2 to 3 minutes after shutdown.
Actually its more important to do your temperature sampling at the same time, every time, in the same order for the most accurate data collection. Don't worry about the instruments being dead nuts accurate as your looking a before and after modification temperature change, the differential temperature will most likely be very accurate.
Pyro on the oil pan - same points pre / post - 1 to 2 min after shutdown
Cooking thermo probe down the oil fill - pre / post - 2 to 3 min after shutdown
Lookin to see what / if any - temp delta exists
Thank You Both
Ghost
(1) Side of the oil pan where you can get a straight shot at it with the pyrometer, a black surface is preferred, measure the same spot every time.
(2) 1 to 2 minute after shutdown.
(3) digital cooking thermometer - Good plan, 2 to 3 minutes after shutdown.
Actually its more important to do your temperature sampling at the same time, every time, in the same order for the most accurate data collection. Don't worry about the instruments being dead nuts accurate as your looking a before and after modification temperature change, the differential temperature will most likely be very accurate.
Cruiser
Joined: Feb 2016
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From: S W Corner of Mi.
This unit was given to me from a friend (FREE). He had no use for it an if I could make it work, go for it. A couple of S S U clamps and about an hour to install it works. It also runs 10-15% cooler now.
Last edited by fxdli; Mar 25, 2017 at 02:27 PM.
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From: Texas
Yeah..., I was
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Here's some help
Need tube length..., diameter...., depth of fins..., # of fins..., fin thickness
Now pick another oil cooling system..., or pick a couple - completely your choice
Calculate the surface area of that one.., or those - in Sq inches
Post up the results and let's see how they compare
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Cylinders..., especially finned ones - are very deceptive in their surface area
Why I went the direction I did - stealthier install..., while providing ample surface area for cooling
The results of testing pre / post - I plan to run - will either prove I was correct..., or full of ****
Post your calculated surface areas in Sq inch..., of each cooling system..., and let's see if you are correct..., or full of ****
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Aside
I don't mind disagreeing comments..., hell..., I don't even mind being called a stupid M' Fer for the way I'm approaching this
But if you do..., least have your **** together..., and be able to back up your mouth
And/ or.., be prepared to offer up a better thought / idea / approach
Just spouting **** - serves no one..., nor any purpose
Ghost
Last edited by Ghost_13; Mar 25, 2017 at 06:39 PM. Reason: Fixed spelling
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