HD is making you sign that paper becuase it overrides the 3 strikes and your out "lemonlaw" from the Govt. They are covering their butts first and foremost. It has nothing to do with customer satisfaction, otherwise they wouldnt have brought out that product to begin with. As for how many vehicle mfg's have released a product knowing full well they released a potential lemon? Not too many,and none in my memory that made you sign a paper. I hope that number stays low too. The lemon law is in place from the Govt to protect the consumer from BS from mfg's. By signing that paper you let HD off the hook. LOL! Way to go! [&:]

As for your 6 is 6 and 5 is 5 argument. I personally like the idea of having BOTH. With the SE 6 and the Baker OD6 you in reality get both 5 in 5 and 6 in 6. How? All they do is take your tradtional 5 speed(and keep the gear ratio and spacing while 5th remains a 1:1)thats found on all the Twin cam and EVO big twins and just add an OD on top of it. So I get the benefit of using the engines powertrain through the first 5 gears to the fullest benefit, and have an

 

It appears you are one of those people who are never wrong. So I quit the "arguement" as it were. Nobody can interject a comment without you disagreeing with it or putting in two more of your cents. You kind of prove that with the amount of posts you have in less than a months time, in forums that's called a "post *****".

So my final word on this subject will be you win I lose. Dyna's suck and so do Harley 6 speeds. I'm an idiot for buying one and signing a paper. Shame on me and everybody else who bought one.

Next subject PLEASE.

 

It has nothing to do with who is right and who is wrong. When Im wrong on something, Ill admit Im wrong. I push aside all the BS and get to the cold hard facts. The whole idea of a forum is to put in your 2 cents worth. I'm not going to kiss up to a product or another individual because "I bought one" either. I got a number of HD's in my stable that had specific issues on parts from poor design or quality control that I made sure to fix, and I had no issues discussion the problems either. Thats how a product gets better. And thats how everybody learns and benefits.

So if you think Dyna's "suck" or the 6 speeds "suck", thats coming from your mouth not mine. I personally like the Dyna bikes, and like alot of the new features on the new Dyna. I'm just not going to be a kiss @ss and say all is well with one part of the bike that is obviously not a well thought out or designed part on the bike. And I'm not going to start the name calling becuase someone else doesnt like what I wrote. I leave that childish BS for other people.

 

Well ChromeScoot, I'd say you have views from all sides of the issue so make an informed decision and good luck with whatever you decide!! See you on the road.

 

I have been getting a little miffed, so I did some research for myself. First of all, the final ratio is NOT THE SAME. The 6th gear is not the same as the 5th gear in the 05. It may not be called "over drive" but it DOES lower the RPMs. I would bet I dont shift into fifth any sooner than an 05. And I bet a pay check my RPMS are lower at highway speed.

My next search will be the Helical gears. (spelling?) Some here say that is the problem, others say they are stronger. I have to try find out for myself. I should know more about them since there is a POTENTIAL problem with my bike. I understand that the trannys have some bugs to be worked out, but I except that. It wont cost me anything other than time, and its worth it to have this bike. I have a Sporty to cruise on when I need to.

Also I believe that some here are makeing it sound worse than it is, for reasons I cant explain, but dont appreciate. Beta testers. what ever. I have been rideing bikes and doing as much maintenance myself as I can for a long time (26years), and this 06 dyna is smooth, powerful, comfortable, and looks awesome. Well worth any bugs that have to be worked out. You dont feel the same, dont buy one. But dont dog out my ride. RUBs do that crap.

Oh yeah, I signed the papers, and it means that whenever something goes with the Tranny, its covered. Labor and all. Yeah, I got screwed!

 

The final ratio may not be the same as the primary gearing is set up different, but it does not change the fact that 6th gear is still just 1:1. What that means is that when the engine crank turns a full 360 degrees(1)so does the rear wheel (also turns exactly 360 degrees(1) ). And you get no benefit from OD gear reduction as your engine's rpms increase.
With a 6 speed that has a true OD(anything less than 1:1), we'll say .86:1 as a common number. Your engine rotates less than one full turn(about 310 degrees) , to a full 360 degrees or one full rotation of the rear wheel.

So with this in mind lets say both transmissions are set so the engine turns 3000rpms at say 70mph. At 80mph the 1:1 6th gear might be turning about 3600rpms. The OD (.86:1) transmission at 80mph on the other hand may be turning only about 3300-3400rpms. And as the speed increases the difference will be greater and greater between the 2 transmissions depending on the OD ratio. Some people will now understand the real benefit of an OD setup. As the speed increases the benefits of an OD become clear as you will be turning lower engine rpm's to achieve higher speeds.

Now depending on your riding style a direct drive 6th gear can be just fine, especially if its geared correctly so that 6th gear is at a low enough rpm where your top speed isnt at an rpm that wears you down over time. But if your in a hurry to get somewhere and got a long drive ahead of you cruising at a higher speed may become fatiguing depending on gearing of the transmission, and it becomes more apprant as the speed increases. I rode a couple of the new Dynas, but I cant recall what it was pulling for rpm's at 75mph. I do know it got a bit buzzy for my taste over 80-85 where I normally ride on my way to and from work on the beltway.

Come back to that statement when your bike is sitting at a HD dealership for a few weeks possibly during the riding season waiting to be worked on. HD puts all warrenty work at the back of the priority list. Service maitenance,add-ons, conversions(ie: money making jobs) all get first/top priority. If your just a weekend warrior rider who only puts a few thousand miles on his bike per year, its probably not a big deal as you can drop it off over the winter, but if you do serious riding and put miles on your bike like the average auto rider would to their car and you will see the big hassle in this. Still doesnt excuse HD imo from putting out a flawed product to begin with. A

 

You obviously are a mech, and know what you are talking about. I am not so much a mech as a parts changer, and jack of all trades master of none. I am aware what Over drive means. The motor turns one revelution, but the final gear turns more than once...... RPMs go down, as well as torque..... Same as a car with a 5 speed, or a 4 speed with over drive. None the less, the final ratio is different than a STOCK 05. The RPMs are lower than a 5 speed. I am not saying that the Baker OD six speed is the same. I realize the Baker is better, I am comparing a stock 06 six speed to a stock 05 five speed.

I dont go much over 80 for extended periods. Its fine for me on the I 5. On the back roads I dont even go into 6th. I realize its not an overdrive, but 5th is tall enough that you dont need it cruising through the hills at 50 - 55.

Weekend warrior, no. I drive to work every day, unless I have a lot of gear to bring in or bring back. (USMC) I ride about 100 to 300 miles on the wekend, depending whats going on. My truck died last year before I deployed, and I still have not replaced it. The wife has a new Explorer that the whole family can ride in, but I only take it to work if it is my last resort. Last year, because of Iraq, I think I only put 3500 miles on my other bike. But thats way low for me, and I have been on bikes for quite some time. The thing you miss on the maintenance deal is this: It is in concert with the 15000 mile service, so the bike will be scheduled for the 15K, and that will be done at that time. Normal Services I get my bike back same day if I drop it in the morning. May be a two day deal at the 15 K....I am not sure. The deepest I have personally been in a HD tranny is replaceing a clutch.

Here is the deal, I realize the tranny has some issues. I am at least glad it wont cost me any more than time, and I hope for it to be rectified. Over all though, I am very happy with the bike. The new frame design is solid. Bike handles like a caddy. The bigger down tubes and increased rake look great, and the handleing is still great. The stage one is running awesome as well. I went with the cartridge ( D/L) to ensure all was harmonious in the EFI, and it paid off. All the improvements I think have been great. The tranny has potential for problems, but right now its smooth and I love it. I cant argue the fact that they should have had the issue rectified before release, but I have to deal with that now. I love the bike, and although I am not a weekend warrior and ride every possible chance I can, I will have to deal without it for a day or two every 15K. (until they figure out a fix) And I know the stock tranny is not as good as a Bakers. Point taken. e

Now maybe you could do me a favor, since I believe you know what your talking about. Without telling mwhat a POS the new tranny is, could you explain to me what they changed, and why it affects the inner bearing? I heard you talk about initial torque.... could you explain more? Like I said before, if it is a problem I am willing to live with, I think I should understand it fully. I guess I should have not said I was getting miffed, as your posts have not been anything personally derogatory. I do think over all the Dynas are good bikes, and I am very happy with my WideGlide. I just have to hope that the tranny issue is rectified. Again, any info on what in there is messed up, and why it damages the inner bearing would be appreciated. I guess I just like my bike so much I took it the wrong way. Which is strange for me, because after years of rideing Sportsters I thought my skin would be a little thicker, LOL. But I have my own personal views on Sportsters too.

Thanks

 

Dunno what it means.....

But today while I was in the Shop in Tallahassee....
I over heard the manager and one of the Sales guys talking.
They were discussing when they might be able to get an 06 Dyna. ( Not a one on the Floor ! )
The Manager says they got ONE coming, but thats all they could get...... The sales guys tells him... " They gonna LOVE you back there !" as he jabs his thumb towards the Mech. Area and chuckles !

Anyways.......

Budds..............

 

The final drive gear ratio is different between the old style 5 speed and the new 6 speed, the way the primary is geared there is a couple hundred rpm difference. Thats it. This was never an argument from where I stand.

Then the gearing suits your riding well, all for that, great to hear. Lets be clear here though. My "debate" on the new transmission was focused more on the design and reliability. Reread my posts, I just brought up a side issue that many may prefer a different setup(ie: one with less gears for the powerband, by themselves or combined with a transmission that had an OD top gear)that I feel may be better suited for the bike. This is more of an opinion based side debate, and everybody has a right to share their opinion. I respect them all.

Just to make sure you understand how I post, my "weekend warrior" comment was not directed towards you, but just to a type of rider in general. I don't spend much time sugar coating my posts and try to get the point. Just wanted to make sure that is cleared up and we have a better understanding of each other. You obviously are lacking a local SEAL to slap you upside the head and keep you inline in your neck of the woods......
On a serious note, I'll have to make a few phone calls to see if HD will be keeping those bearings in stock. If not you will be in for a long 2 week average wait. HD only stocks normal wear and tear items like gaskets,spark plugs,wires, fluids etc. They do not stock things like bearings,bolts and screws(unless frilly chrome plated show items), or basically any internal engine items. HD dealerships do this to keep operating costs to a minimum and to reduce potential overstock of bin parts. All those dealerships carry are chrome "doo dad" add-ons. The crap you see on the showroom floor. You will learn if you ever need to get a replacement part out of the parts manual for your bike, 99% of the time it will have to be ordered. Pretty crappy eh? [:-]

[quote]ORIGINAL: grizzly
Here is the deal, I realize the tranny has some issues. I am at least glad it wont cost me an

 

Now, to inject some reality into this thread...... the majority of this is your OPINION. You're not an engineer, you don't work in a HD shop, you've never even taken the new 6-speed apart and looked at the insides with your own eyes. You rag on HD every chance you get, in just about every post you make and you especially hate the new 6-speed. Every vehicle manufacturer in the world uses helical cut gears, but when HD uses them, it's only to save money, right? ... And when HD decides to inspect a new product on a regular basis - FOR FREE - it's only because they must all be lemons, right? Couldn't be that they just want to see how the bearing is holding up to everyday use... nope, gotta be an evil, rip-off scheme by the evil HD corp. ....

Here's a tip for ya, don't buy one. Go buy a Honda... then you can really rag on HD