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Here's my $.02 on this subject
Why sign the paper? You know that some lawyer would buy this bike and if the "warranty" wasn't in existence, he'd start procedings demanding a new bike under the lemon law after he put 45K miles on it, sue for punitive damages, and probably start a class action lawsuit to boot.
I've got an '06. Love it. Glad I have a 6th gear to shift into when cruising over 55 without having to go buy an aftermarket tranny. More $$ for other goodies.
Why sign the paper? You know that some lawyer would buy this bike and if the "warranty" wasn't in existence, he'd start procedings demanding a new bike under the lemon law after he put 45K miles on it, sue for punitive damages, and probably start a class action lawsuit to boot.
I've got an '06. Love it. Glad I have a 6th gear to shift into when cruising over 55 without having to go buy an aftermarket tranny. More $$ for other goodies.
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ORIGINAL: JamieWG
Now, to inject some reality into this thread...... the majority of this is your OPINION. You're not an engineer, you don't work in a HD shop, you've never even taken the new 6-speed apart and looked at the insides with your own eyes. You rag on HD every chance you get, in just about every post you make and you especially hate the new 6-speed. Every vehicle manufacturer in the world uses helical cut gears, but when HD uses them, it's only to save money, right? ... And when HD decides to inspect a new product on a regular basis - FOR FREE - it's only because they must all be lemons, right? Couldn't be that they just want to see how the bearing is holding up to everyday use... nope, gotta be an evil, rip-off scheme by the evil HD corp. ....
Here's a tip for ya, don't buy one. Go buy a Honda... then you can really rag on HD
Now, to inject some reality into this thread...... the majority of this is your OPINION. You're not an engineer, you don't work in a HD shop, you've never even taken the new 6-speed apart and looked at the insides with your own eyes. You rag on HD every chance you get, in just about every post you make and you especially hate the new 6-speed. Every vehicle manufacturer in the world uses helical cut gears, but when HD uses them, it's only to save money, right? ... And when HD decides to inspect a new product on a regular basis - FOR FREE - it's only because they must all be lemons, right? Couldn't be that they just want to see how the bearing is holding up to everyday use... nope, gotta be an evil, rip-off scheme by the evil HD corp. ....
Here's a tip for ya, don't buy one. Go buy a Honda... then you can really rag on HD
And you love boasting how every vehicle mfg. uses helical gears. Well lets go over how long HD has used helical gears. Care to guess? Less than a year? Why not tell me why Baker uses pretty much all straight cut gears in their designs other than a few in their DD6 product? Spridget?G-Force? How about Quaife mfg? Do you know what Quaife even produces? Hell I run a G-Force GF-5R transmission in my mustang. Why not do a searce on that product and get back to me. In fact do a search on "performance straight cut transmission gears" and you will come up with about 200,000 results on high performance transmissions that soley use straight cut gears in all kinds of applications including street autos and motorcycles(Baker Drivetrain will be in that search)drag cars and motorcycles,circuit racing autos and motorcycles, the list will go on and on. But you think they EVERYBODY uses heical gears. Why hasnt H-D used Helical gears for the last 100 years? And why do they continue to use traditional straightcut gears in most of their products still?
Why does HD feel the need to inspect and replace bearings in ONLY the cruisedrive transmission? Are you guys special preferred HD customers?[sm=happy046.gif] Why does HD require folks who purchase a bike installed with a cruise drive transmission to sign a waiver form? To see how the bearing holds up to everyday use? LOL, don't you think they would have done that while developing the product BEFORE being released to the public? Obviously your a Harley Davidson Lemming who blindly follows the mfg. becuase your bike has a big "HD" stamped on the gas tank. HD loves people like you. If all their customers were just as gullible as you they wouldnt have even bothered making people sign a waiver form.
Your a thick one. There are alot of questions above you won't have any good rebuttals for, you will probably "blah blah blah its my opinion BS" crap, thats all you can ever add............... [sm=icon_blah.gif][sm=icon_blah.gif][sm=icon_blah.gif][sm=icon_blah.gif] Do yourself a favor, join in when you can add something constructive with some technical merit.
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ORIGINAL: MegaHDman
The only reality thats now been injected into this thread is that your posts rarely have any merit or add anything insightful or productive to any posts in any technical fashion whatsoever. I don't work directly for a HD shop, but about a half dozen HD shops in the area send alot of their overflow work to my place of employment. I may not be an engineer, but I do have an automotive technology degree and about 18 credits from Tufts University and and Mass Bay College for Mechanical Engineering and have taken courses that include Experimentation and fabrication, Dynamics and vibration, fluid mechanics and heat transfer. And in all honesty thats probably 18 more credits than what you've taken, if you even went to College at all for that matter.
And you love boasting how every vehicle mfg. uses helical gears. Well lets go over how long HD has used helical gears. Care to guess? Less than a year? Why not tell me why Baker uses pretty much all straight cut gears in their designs other than a few in their DD6 product? Spridget?G-Force? How about Quaife mfg? Do you know what Quaife even produces? Hell I run a G-Force GF-5R transmission in my mustang. Why not do a searce on that product and get back to me. In fact do a search on "performance straight cut transmission gears" and you will come up with about 200,000 results on high performance transmissions that soley use straight cut gears in all kinds of applications including street autos and motorcycles(Baker Drivetrain will be in that search)drag cars and motorcycles,circuit racing autos and motorcycles, the list will go on and on. But you think they EVERYBODY uses heical gears. Why hasnt H-D used Helical gears for the last 100 years? And why do they continue to use traditional straightcut gears in most of their products still?
Why does HD feel the need to inspect and replace bearings in ONLY the cruisedrive transmission? Are you guys special preferred HD customers?[sm=happy046.gif] Why does HD require folks who purchase a bike installed with a cruise drive transmission to sign a waiver form? To see how the bearing holds up to everyday use? LOL, don't you think they would have done that while developing the product BEFORE being released to the public? Obviously your a Harley Davidson Lemming who blindly follows the mfg. becuase your bike has a big "HD" stamped on the gas tank. HD loves people like you. If all their customers were just as gullible as you they wouldnt have even bothered making people sign a waiver form.
Your a thick one. There are alot of questions above you won't have any good rebuttals for, you will probably "blah blah blah its my opinion BS" crap, thats all you can ever add............... [sm=icon_blah.gif][sm=icon_blah.gif][sm=icon_blah.gif][sm=icon_blah.gif] Do yourself a favor, join in when you can add something constructive with some technical merit.
The only reality thats now been injected into this thread is that your posts rarely have any merit or add anything insightful or productive to any posts in any technical fashion whatsoever. I don't work directly for a HD shop, but about a half dozen HD shops in the area send alot of their overflow work to my place of employment. I may not be an engineer, but I do have an automotive technology degree and about 18 credits from Tufts University and and Mass Bay College for Mechanical Engineering and have taken courses that include Experimentation and fabrication, Dynamics and vibration, fluid mechanics and heat transfer. And in all honesty thats probably 18 more credits than what you've taken, if you even went to College at all for that matter.
And you love boasting how every vehicle mfg. uses helical gears. Well lets go over how long HD has used helical gears. Care to guess? Less than a year? Why not tell me why Baker uses pretty much all straight cut gears in their designs other than a few in their DD6 product? Spridget?G-Force? How about Quaife mfg? Do you know what Quaife even produces? Hell I run a G-Force GF-5R transmission in my mustang. Why not do a searce on that product and get back to me. In fact do a search on "performance straight cut transmission gears" and you will come up with about 200,000 results on high performance transmissions that soley use straight cut gears in all kinds of applications including street autos and motorcycles(Baker Drivetrain will be in that search)drag cars and motorcycles,circuit racing autos and motorcycles, the list will go on and on. But you think they EVERYBODY uses heical gears. Why hasnt H-D used Helical gears for the last 100 years? And why do they continue to use traditional straightcut gears in most of their products still?
Why does HD feel the need to inspect and replace bearings in ONLY the cruisedrive transmission? Are you guys special preferred HD customers?[sm=happy046.gif] Why does HD require folks who purchase a bike installed with a cruise drive transmission to sign a waiver form? To see how the bearing holds up to everyday use? LOL, don't you think they would have done that while developing the product BEFORE being released to the public? Obviously your a Harley Davidson Lemming who blindly follows the mfg. becuase your bike has a big "HD" stamped on the gas tank. HD loves people like you. If all their customers were just as gullible as you they wouldnt have even bothered making people sign a waiver form.
Your a thick one. There are alot of questions above you won't have any good rebuttals for, you will probably "blah blah blah its my opinion BS" crap, thats all you can ever add............... [sm=icon_blah.gif][sm=icon_blah.gif][sm=icon_blah.gif][sm=icon_blah.gif] Do yourself a favor, join in when you can add something constructive with some technical merit.
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ORIGINAL: JamieWG
Let's see now, according to you, I'm an uneducated Harley lemming, and a thick one who never makes any quality posts? Thanks. In our last discussion, I was a magazine lemming.
Let's see now, according to you, I'm an uneducated Harley lemming, and a thick one who never makes any quality posts? Thanks. In our last discussion, I was a magazine lemming.
ORIGINAL: JamieWG
Besides bashing HD, you always seem to get away with bashing anyone who disagrees with you.
Besides bashing HD, you always seem to get away with bashing anyone who disagrees with you.
ORIGINAL: JamieWG I guess I struck a little too close to home with my words. I'll say it again - You've never worked on the new 6-speed. You don't work for Harley-Davidson, you never have worked for HD and you really have no clue about future problems with the new 6-speed.
ORIGINAL: JamieWG Yep, every vehicle manufacturer SUCCESSFULLY uses helical cut gears, but you, the genius of HD forums, has decided that HD cannot pull it off.
ORIGINAL: JamieWG Gee, I wonder why Harley won't hire you? You spend every waking hour logged onto this site, so you obviously need a job. Go put in an application.... hey, you know everything, right? You could straighten Harley Davidson out... show 'em how to build a bike! Ought to be easy for you to get hired. I just can't figure out why a guy as smart as you doesn't have a job. Maybe it's your personality?
ORIGINAL: JamieWG I do know one thing, when TC left this site and you showed up, it was a bad trade. You have taught me one thing - Don't believe what you read on the net.
So all in all, good job on this post. Added absoltely nothing constructive, tried to attack another member for his insight(me), and once again sidesteped all the technical issues and questions at hand. What will you do for an encore?
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What will you do for an encore?
What will you do for an encore?
Nothing. It's all yours. How dare someone have the gall to disagree with you? They ought to change the name of this place HDMegaman forums. You've really added a lot to the atmosphere around here. You're such a nice guy and all.. plus, there isn't a thing you don't know.
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You've really added a lot to the atmosphere around here. You're such a nice guy and all.. plus, there isn't a thing you don't know.
You've really added a lot to the atmosphere around here. You're such a nice guy and all.. plus, there isn't a thing you don't know.
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ORIGINAL: MegaHDman
I consider myself a very friendly fellow, especially to those who I have respect for. And when it comes to HD's I think I cover most bases with fairly complete knowledge. But again, your last remark is pretty snide, and typical of childish behavior from someone who again has shown no ability to add constructive posts to a given thread.
I consider myself a very friendly fellow, especially to those who I have respect for. And when it comes to HD's I think I cover most bases with fairly complete knowledge. But again, your last remark is pretty snide, and typical of childish behavior from someone who again has shown no ability to add constructive posts to a given thread.
Sucks to be you.
I'm sure there is someone else on this forum that you need to set straight. It's over, you've thoroughly reinforced my opinion of you. Now get hoppin.... There are others out there who think HD knows what they're doing. It's up to you to save the internet from other morons like me.
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Just give it up Jamie. This guy cannot and will not just leave things alone. He obviously always has to have the last word. I couldn't imagine being one of his employees...if he does in fact own a business like he says he does. He is the type of boss that most people cannot stand. You can tell just by his demeanor and by the fact that he always has to come back and rebut everything that he was a very whiny child and in many ways is still a whiny adult. He always screamed if he didn't get his way and was very self centered. It's all obvious in the way he writes. Anybody can clearly see that. It's possible that he was an only child or a middle child; or he may just be this way for other reasons. There are so many variables it's hard to guess. He lacks self control and has a hard time holding his tongue because he feels the need to let everyone know how he feels. He's the type of person who would get you killed in combat because he has no discipline or self control. He's not the person I'd want next to me in a foxhole.
As stated before I have no doubt of his technical expertise and experience. For all I know he may be dead on right about everything he's saying. However there are right ways and wrong ways to have a conversation and unfortunately for him and all who are around him he's always got to have the last word because he wants the attention. It is what it is, I'm sure he'll have a rebut for this (because that's how self centered and attention seeking people are) but as I stated earlier I'm done directly speaking with him because he can't say anything nice. If he responds to this (which I'm sure he will because it will kill him not to) not only will it prove my point but I'll just reply with a smiley face.
...and just think, this thread started with such a harmless question! To the original thread starter, I hope you can sift through everyone's BS (including my own) and take what you can from all of this.
As stated before I have no doubt of his technical expertise and experience. For all I know he may be dead on right about everything he's saying. However there are right ways and wrong ways to have a conversation and unfortunately for him and all who are around him he's always got to have the last word because he wants the attention. It is what it is, I'm sure he'll have a rebut for this (because that's how self centered and attention seeking people are) but as I stated earlier I'm done directly speaking with him because he can't say anything nice. If he responds to this (which I'm sure he will because it will kill him not to) not only will it prove my point but I'll just reply with a smiley face.
...and just think, this thread started with such a harmless question! To the original thread starter, I hope you can sift through everyone's BS (including my own) and take what you can from all of this.
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When your the boss, you can sit in front of a computer screen and do what you want,
You wouldn't mind sharing with us where "YOUR" business is or a web page or address or something of the sort like the name of your business, would you? I'd be curious if you could furnish this for us all to see. I also would like to speak with you on the phone about something too, being you are in front of the computer most of the day and not working, could I call you at your business?
Thanks Megafellow
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Hey Mega , you said "We got 2 of the cruisedrive transmissions opened up in the garage right now and have taken numerous pictures "
Am I mistaken or didn't you just say real recently that you never worked on one of these yet? Now you have TWO opened up in the "GARAGE", did you mean shop? and why do you need TWO of them to take pictures of, wouldn't one suffice??? Hmmmmm....
Am I mistaken or didn't you just say real recently that you never worked on one of these yet? Now you have TWO opened up in the "GARAGE", did you mean shop? and why do you need TWO of them to take pictures of, wouldn't one suffice??? Hmmmmm....