6-speed
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ORIGINAL: JamieWG
Bob Klein, an official spokesman for HD, claims no one was injured. If he's wrong, then get the names of the injured people and contact any major news outlet. You can probably sell the story.
http://articles.news.aol.com/busines...23144209990008
I could be wrong there, who knows, but a few employees at HD of Washington stated there were a few remote accidents with some minor injuries......whether there thats true or not, its still a defect that can be dangerous.
You've been saying all along that the new transmission is no good. All of a sudden, you are back-pedaling on this. That's fine, if you've changed your mind, admit it. I can quote you if I need to.
No, I stated that the new transmission has issues yet to be resolved and as they stand now, I also stated that long term durability on the transmission is still in question, and that time will tell how good they really are. You have a habit of taking my words out of context so please quote away, but make sure the quote is COMPLETE and in line with other statements I made in the past
No, you haven't been saying the same thing. You've stated repeatedly that helical cut gears are weaker than straight cut gears. Once more, I can quote you if I need to.
[color=#FF0000]Again out of context, I stated orignally: Straight cut will 'whine' the faster they go but offer 1. More directional application of force allowing for less power loss. and 2. Higher acceptable loads until failure. So in one sense on a tooth per tooth basis straight cut gears are stronger naturally. I also stated in another thread:
ORIGINAL: MegaHDman
D. Already one recall on a safety issue with the new transmission in which people were HURT.
D. Already one recall on a safety issue with the new transmission in which people were HURT.
http://articles.news.aol.com/busines...23144209990008
I could be wrong there, who knows, but a few employees at HD of Washington stated there were a few remote accidents with some minor injuries......whether there thats true or not, its still a defect that can be dangerous.
ORIGINAL: MegaHDman
I myself LOGICALLY take A,B,C, and D along with a strong understanding of how implementing a style of gears(to HD anyway)can cause problems or potential future problems with the transmission. Now I never said the new transmission is "no good" in the same sense your trying to paint, but I am smart enough to know that the new transmission has issues that are NOT YET worked out. So you hate the pool of info become tainted? Then look at the real situation with open eyes instead of someone who obvious owns the product and feels the need to defend it at every turn because he feels it infringes on his buying decision.
I myself LOGICALLY take A,B,C, and D along with a strong understanding of how implementing a style of gears(to HD anyway)can cause problems or potential future problems with the transmission. Now I never said the new transmission is "no good" in the same sense your trying to paint, but I am smart enough to know that the new transmission has issues that are NOT YET worked out. So you hate the pool of info become tainted? Then look at the real situation with open eyes instead of someone who obvious owns the product and feels the need to defend it at every turn because he feels it infringes on his buying decision.
No, I stated that the new transmission has issues yet to be resolved and as they stand now, I also stated that long term durability on the transmission is still in question, and that time will tell how good they really are. You have a habit of taking my words out of context so please quote away, but make sure the quote is COMPLETE and in line with other statements I made in the past
ORIGINAL: JamieWG Before I bought my bike I did some research on the 6-speed. It was all done on the net, and if you want to learn about gears, you can do it too. Here is what I learned - When straight cut gears are engaged, all forces are applied to one tooth on each gear. When helical cut gears are engaged, depending on the angle of the teeth, the forces are distributed between 1.2 - 1.9 teeth per gear. This means, given equal materials, the helical cut gears can carry a heavier load. The trade off for that extra strength is thrust loads. The gears try to move away from each other, sort of like a screw turning out of a bolt. Helical cut gears are also quieter and the general consensus seems to be that they provide smoother shifting.
ORIGINAL: MegaHDman
Well, glad to see you did some research. And what you said here is correct. Guess what? I have been stating the same thing since day 1.
Well, glad to see you did some research. And what you said here is correct. Guess what? I have been stating the same thing since day 1.
[color=#FF0000]Again out of context, I stated orignally: Straight cut will 'whine' the faster they go but offer 1. More directional application of force allowing for less power loss. and 2. Higher acceptable loads until failure. So in one sense on a tooth per tooth basis straight cut gears are stronger naturally. I also stated in another thread:
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As a harley rider and lawyer, I'd ike to add a note of clarification. there seems to be a lot of reference to a "waiver" being required of 06 dyna owners. I took delivery of an 06 wide glide in October. What I signed was an "adddendum" to the owners manual acknowledgeging that H-D recommends a transmission oil change at the 1K initial service and at 5K thereafter. The addendum also states that H-D will change the bearings at 15K at no cost as part of a quality control program. The term "waiver" is a legal term which implies the reliquishment of some legal right. In my home state, such a waiver could not be unenforced.
Regarding the 6 speed, I've ridden the bike a little over 3,000 miles including a 1,500 mile trip to daytona. So far I have no complaints about the transmission. I find little or no difference between 5th gear on the dyna and 5th gear on my '00 ultra classic. I don't have a tach on the dyna but it feels like it runs from 3-500 rpm lower in 6th when riding in the 80mph range. I don't find myself using 6th under 65mph. I real world use, I prefer the 6 speed.
Regarding the 6 speed, I've ridden the bike a little over 3,000 miles including a 1,500 mile trip to daytona. So far I have no complaints about the transmission. I find little or no difference between 5th gear on the dyna and 5th gear on my '00 ultra classic. I don't have a tach on the dyna but it feels like it runs from 3-500 rpm lower in 6th when riding in the 80mph range. I don't find myself using 6th under 65mph. I real world use, I prefer the 6 speed.
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ORIGINAL: bayouboy
As a harley rider and lawyer, I'd ike to add a note of clarification. there seems to be a lot of reference to a "waiver" being required of 06 dyna owners. I took delivery of an 06 wide glide in October. What I signed was an "adddendum" to the owners manual acknowledgeging that H-D recommends a transmission oil change at the 1K initial service and at 5K thereafter. The addendum also states that H-D will change the bearings at 15K at no cost as part of a quality control program. The term "waiver" is a legal term which implies the reliquishment of some legal right. In my home state, such a waiver could not be unenforced.
As a harley rider and lawyer, I'd ike to add a note of clarification. there seems to be a lot of reference to a "waiver" being required of 06 dyna owners. I took delivery of an 06 wide glide in October. What I signed was an "adddendum" to the owners manual acknowledgeging that H-D recommends a transmission oil change at the 1K initial service and at 5K thereafter. The addendum also states that H-D will change the bearings at 15K at no cost as part of a quality control program. The term "waiver" is a legal term which implies the reliquishment of some legal right. In my home state, such a waiver could not be unenforced.
You wouldnt' happen to be able to scan and post a copy of that "addendum" for us all would you? Unfortunetly I've only heard what it states in a very generalized form from others, many of my own comments are based on this form only from whats been said from others. Would like to see what it really states and any fine print that may be on it.
ORIGINAL: bayouboy Regarding the 6 speed, I've ridden the bike a little over 3,000 miles including a 1,500 mile trip to daytona. So far I have no complaints about the transmission. I find little or no difference between 5th gear on the dyna and 5th gear on my '00 ultra classic. I don't have a tach on the dyna but it feels like it runs from 3-500 rpm lower in 6th when riding in the 80mph range. I don't find myself using 6th under 65mph. I real world use, I prefer the 6 speed.
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For those who have never seen the amendment and would like to see the actual language here it is. On a personal note it sounds like a fair deal to me. Especially the part about no cost to me. Actually I think it's pretty nice because correct me if I'm wrong but warranties do not usually cover "wear" items and I would think that bearings would be considered wear items. That being the case I think the "no cost to me" language puts me under a special umbrella that would not be made available to those who did not sign the form or bought another model line and perhaps had some sort of issue like this arise. Who knows.
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Is that it? No fine print of any kind on the front or back? So its not a waiver. Thats good for the consumer then, keeps the lemonlaw in tact, and as Bayouboy stated above even if there was fine print I guess its not enforceable anyway. Im all for that.
"Wear" items are things like belts, brake pads, and tires. An internal bearing is not a "wear" item, otherwise no moving part in the engine or transmission would be covered under the warrenty. Your warrenty should specifically tell you what is considered a "wear" item.
"Wear" items are things like belts, brake pads, and tires. An internal bearing is not a "wear" item, otherwise no moving part in the engine or transmission would be covered under the warrenty. Your warrenty should specifically tell you what is considered a "wear" item.
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RE: 6-speed
I'd seen this before. Wondered why the inner primary bearing was causing the heartache? Is it possible the thrust is being transmitted to this bearing by the transmission, or is it caused by something only semi-related?
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ORIGINAL: pococj
I'd seen this before. Wondered why the inner primary bearing was causing the heartache? Is it possible the thrust is being transmitted to this bearing by the transmission, or is it caused by something only semi-related?
I'd seen this before. Wondered why the inner primary bearing was causing the heartache? Is it possible the thrust is being transmitted to this bearing by the transmission, or is it caused by something only semi-related?
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RE: 6-speed
I dont give a damn what gear they changed.........the 6 speed runs lower RPMs at high speed than the 5 speed. Geez. And side thrust is caused by helical gears. Roger. HD wants to check it out free of charge to ensure its good to go. Fine with me. SE OD 6 speed and Baker 6 speed are better than the stock 6 speed. Great. I signed a paper saying I havea copy of the amendment to the service manual. terrific.
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RE: 6-speed
ORIGINAL: MegaHDman
"Wear" items are things like belts, brake pads, and tires. An internal bearing is not a "wear" item, otherwise no moving part in the engine or transmission would be covered under the warrenty. Your warrenty should specifically tell you what is considered a "wear" item.
"Wear" items are things like belts, brake pads, and tires. An internal bearing is not a "wear" item, otherwise no moving part in the engine or transmission would be covered under the warrenty. Your warrenty should specifically tell you what is considered a "wear" item.
No fine print, what you see is what you get.
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I only meant to point out that this is the type of problem that causes the resale price to be much lower than it should be. I was looking at a 1999 Road King that had about 40K miles and the salesman said, "you don't want a 1999 or 2000 because they had bad cam bearings". This is not fair, but still it takes on a life of it's own.
Thanks for the info. I would not hesitate to buy a 1999-2000 TC-88 if the price is right. People just get stuck on things without thinking it through.
Thanks for the info. I would not hesitate to buy a 1999-2000 TC-88 if the price is right. People just get stuck on things without thinking it through.