Fuel Moto pushrods
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In all my years of participating on enthusiast forums, when it comes to performance and tuning shops, I have generally found that the good guys are usually the ones getting rocks thrown at them. They keep their comments generally positive, try to help the membership learn, and of course sell their products and services along the way. They also pony up some dough for advertising and in support of the forum. I believe all of the parties tangled in this pissing match have that option, yes?
I stand by the idea that if a shop owner and his/her business is misleading, deceptive, lack knowledge, or sell bad products, they generally find themselves going out of business in fairly short order. That doesn't seem to be happening, so let your common sense prevail. Nobody is going to agree on everything, but trying to throw shade on a reputable business is just showing poor taste. Knock it off already.
I stand by the idea that if a shop owner and his/her business is misleading, deceptive, lack knowledge, or sell bad products, they generally find themselves going out of business in fairly short order. That doesn't seem to be happening, so let your common sense prevail. Nobody is going to agree on everything, but trying to throw shade on a reputable business is just showing poor taste. Knock it off already.
Also to correct one of your earlier comments FM is not a competitor to me at all. I work for a company that manufactures and develops products worldwide that are sold through distributors and dealers, FM does not, they are a reseller of products to the public. The only product they claim to manufacture is exhaust parts and we do not.
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Do they steal other peoples work and claim it as their own? Do they re-nig on the MAP policies they sign? Do they have to have moderators clean up every negative thing ever posted about them? Threatening to pull your vendor account because of a disagreement is the equivalent of a 2 year old throwing a temper tantrum IMO.
With that, I rest my case.
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Why is it that on a public form people cannot express there own first hand experiences? You or I do not have to like it, but they should be able to express them, just as you express yours. You can only sweep so much dirt under the carpet before it finds its way out.
Also to correct one of your earlier comments FM is not a competitor to me at all. I work for a company that manufactures and develops products worldwide that are sold through distributors and dealers, FM does not, they are a reseller of products to the public. The only product they claim to manufacture is exhaust parts and we do not.
Also to correct one of your earlier comments FM is not a competitor to me at all. I work for a company that manufactures and develops products worldwide that are sold through distributors and dealers, FM does not, they are a reseller of products to the public. The only product they claim to manufacture is exhaust parts and we do not.
As for the rest, it seems like something lawyers and the court system should be involved in. I'm thinking somebody with a solid case would have pressed the issue legally. Did they? If so, what was the outcome? If not...there probably wasn't a case to begin with.
With that, I rest my case.
With that, I rest my case.
I've never been to court (except for a couple speeding tickets) or even received a legal letter in my life
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Jamie Long / Fuel Moto USA
The USA's Leader V-Twin EFI & Performance www.fuelmotousa.com
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IMO there's a big difference in taking an existing product and putting your name on it and developing a product and having it manufactured to your specs. You may think some are being hard on FM but there's so much BS that's happened over the years that's been kept out of the public eye because they can simply pay forums in order to control the content. Hrdtail78 hit on some of the highlights in an earlier post. Steve hit on some as well, notice how his posts were removed?
'Can't blame you for calling out BS, as I've done that myself a couple of times,,, LOL
No, I did not notice the "removals",,, haven't checked this Thread in quite a while...
'Gotta Ride...
To be clear posts were removed from both sides, not just one of them. The fire started after I responded to a post related to branding with a claim a magnet sticks to our stainless head pipes which I later rebutted with a video showing it does not, I also urge anyone that has has one of our stainless pipes to do the same test. To be honest it's not out of the question that the user would able to stick a magnet to one of our pipes as we offer a Jackpot SPC which is a ceramic coated mild steel pipe, maybe he tried sticking a magnet to this pipe at the show, im not sure. As far as this thread things got personal with a few individuals and jabs were exchanged from both sides, never a good thing as far as i'm concerned as in the end the users following never know the actual details or truths; the mods cleaned some of it up from both sides. I would like to add, despite what's gone on here I'll still say Steve Cole offers a fine tuning platform.
FM sponsors a few forums, it works really well for reaching and interacting with customers day to day and we've been a top level sponsor on HDForus for over 10 years, it's unrealistic to think we have built the following we have today if we treated customers the way some are claiming. We've been able to grow at a steady rate, enough so we are getting ready to move to an all new facility that is being built from the ground up as we speak. This company was built on customer service, tens of thousands of actual customer reviews and feedback ratings on google, facebook, eBay and other social media sites tells the entire story. We not only urge but encourage anyone that would like to know any facet of our products or services to contact us firsthand, all channels are always open.
FM sponsors a few forums, it works really well for reaching and interacting with customers day to day and we've been a top level sponsor on HDForus for over 10 years, it's unrealistic to think we have built the following we have today if we treated customers the way some are claiming. We've been able to grow at a steady rate, enough so we are getting ready to move to an all new facility that is being built from the ground up as we speak. This company was built on customer service, tens of thousands of actual customer reviews and feedback ratings on google, facebook, eBay and other social media sites tells the entire story. We not only urge but encourage anyone that would like to know any facet of our products or services to contact us firsthand, all channels are always open.
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