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Engine Mechanical TopicsDiscussion for motor builds, cams, head work, stripped bolts and other engine related issues. The good and the bad. If it goes round and around or up and down, post it here.
Morning guys,
I have pulled the cam chest cover off recently, and the pics below are what I've seen;
(I DID take a pic of the inner camshoe too, but it came out too dark in the end)
My Low Rider has approx. 32k miles on it now. Looking at this, i'm guessing i'm ready for new shoes. I've read a fair bit on here and in an ideal world i'd go hydro tensioners or gear driven, but ultimately my budget will force my choice i'm afraid and I will most likely end up sticking with replacing the shoes (with Cyco ones as I hear they are the best?). That said, I do have a couple of questions;
1. - Firstly, and mainly.... looking at the photos above the chain looks like it may be stretched? any opinions/ advice on that? On pics other people have posted, their chain doesn't seem to be pushed in as far as mine is, by the tensioner. Do I need a new chain too?
2. - I have seen a few SECONDHAND camplates on Ebay, etc. from 06 & 07 dynas with the hydro tensioners..... would a plate from the later models fit right in on an 'o2 engine, or is that just wishful thinking? these secondhand ones might just fit in the upper end of my budget, that's all.
to answer your first question, yes, I would replace the chain. They are relatively cheap from Direct Cycle Parts (IIRC about 35 each). I changed my tensioners (I have the screamin eagle hydraulic camplate, and still needed new shoes) and the rattling of the old chains was still driving me crazy. Popped for new chains and the noise went away. While you are in there, its a cheap thing to change.
As for the cam plate, I cannot speak with 100 percent certainty, but I think there is at least one oil passage that does not work with the newer camplates, hence why the screamin eagle one exists to upgrade the early spring tensioners to the new hydraulic standard. Like I said, mine already had this installed, so I didnt have to go through the numbers to check on this. Others may have better info than I. Do know that the SE plates do show up on Ebay occasionally and take the stock hydraulic tensioner pieces.
You can use the new cam plate but will need conversion cams for this . Like andrews 21N a few other things need changed. Andrew's has a list on this upgrade. I had the SE and getting ready to do the conversion
The OPs chain is stretched and should be replaced; however, the replacement chain should be thoroughly cleaned to remove machining grit and "polished" to remove sharp edges and burrs. A buffing wheel on a bench grinder will do the job. This should save some initial wear on the new CYCO tensioners; not a "must do" but IMHO a good idea. Might as well replace the tensioner guide as well.
The later cam plate will fit but will require the addition of all the associated hardware, i.e., sprockets, chains, tensioners and cam spacers will be required as well. The OEM cams will not fit the later OEM cam plate and a set of conversion cams will be required unless the conversion is to the SE Hybrid cam plate. The cost for this upgrade would come close to converting to gear drive and eliminating chains and tensioners.
The early OEM cam plate and pump is quite adequate and refurbishing the cam chest with a new chain, tensioners, guide and outer bearings is really all that is needed. Replacing the OEM inner cam bearings as part of the project would also be a good idea.
Morning guys,
I have pulled the cam chest cover off recently, and the pics below are what I've seen;
(I DID take a pic of the inner camshoe too, but it came out too dark in the end)
My Low Rider has approx. 32k miles on it now. Looking at this, i'm guessing i'm ready for new shoes. I've read a fair bit on here and in an ideal world i'd go hydro tensioners or gear driven, but ultimately my budget will force my choice i'm afraid and I will most likely end up sticking with replacing the shoes (with Cyco ones as I hear they are the best?). That said, I do have a couple of questions;
1. - Firstly, and mainly.... looking at the photos above the chain looks like it may be stretched? any opinions/ advice on that? On pics other people have posted, their chain doesn't seem to be pushed in as far as mine is, by the tensioner. Do I need a new chain too?
2. - I have seen a few SECONDHAND camplates on Ebay, etc. from 06 & 07 dynas with the hydro tensioners..... would a plate from the later models fit right in on an 'o2 engine, or is that just wishful thinking? these secondhand ones might just fit in the upper end of my budget, that's all.
Thank you for any help you can give!
Get a new chain and Cyco shoes
I am not100% positive but I think to use the newer cam plat you also have to use newer cams or conversion cams. The newer ones are different. I did the Cyco shoes on my 01 and its a fair easy job.
Cheers guys. I'm hearing enough good things about the Cyco shoes now to make me think that an upgraded camplate is more of an optional upgrade than a must do.
okay, so i didn't make it to the end of riding season as i'd hoped;
I've shopped around, and i've ordered the Screaming Eagle Hybrid kit, and a new inner chain too - it doesnt appear to be damaged, but i'd be daft not to replace it too i think. I'm just hoping that nothing else has gotten damaged... that the cams themselves are okay. i know i need to drop the oil pan, remove filter and flush through..... anything else i need to be looking for?
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