Carb bikes
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My RK is one of the bikes I used as an example for preferring efi over a carb. It is a stage 2 95cu with a power commander. With a canned tune it started and ran fantastic for me, for thousands of miles. Just that bike alone allows me whatever opinion I want.
Ace decided to attack me and also pm me because I prefer efi, ace, have you owned an efi Harley or any other efi bike?
I also prefer the tc over the evo, that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it as I have owned more than 1 of each.
Ace decided to attack me and also pm me because I prefer efi, ace, have you owned an efi Harley or any other efi bike?
I also prefer the tc over the evo, that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it as I have owned more than 1 of each.
Last edited by 1997bagger; May 16, 2017 at 09:57 PM.
For me, my carb'd Evo is my last line of defense against a technology-saturated world.
When I got back on two wheels a few years ago (after my lean time finally worked itself out), I thought long and hard about this. Too many computers in my life already. I decided that my bike would be the one thing that was still all analog.
Since then, we've seen the pressure the EPA is putting on the MoCo. Buy a new M8 and you can only get the tune that the EPA says you can have, or lose your warranty.
That just rubs me the wrong way.
I'm not anti-FI. I'm just pretty much an anarchist who is sick of every single thing getting regulated. I figure the best way to "resist" is to just not play along.
When I got back on two wheels a few years ago (after my lean time finally worked itself out), I thought long and hard about this. Too many computers in my life already. I decided that my bike would be the one thing that was still all analog.
Since then, we've seen the pressure the EPA is putting on the MoCo. Buy a new M8 and you can only get the tune that the EPA says you can have, or lose your warranty.
That just rubs me the wrong way.
I'm not anti-FI. I'm just pretty much an anarchist who is sick of every single thing getting regulated. I figure the best way to "resist" is to just not play along.
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For me, my carb'd Evo is my last line of defense against a technology-saturated world.
When I got back on two wheels a few years ago (after my lean time finally worked itself out), I thought long and hard about this. Too many computers in my life already. I decided that my bike would be the one thing that was still all analog.
Since then, we've seen the pressure the EPA is putting on the MoCo. Buy a new M8 and you can only get the tune that the EPA says you can have, or lose your warranty.
That just rubs me the wrong way.
I'm not anti-FI. I'm just pretty much an anarchist who is sick of every single thing getting regulated. I figure the best way to "resist" is to just not play along.
When I got back on two wheels a few years ago (after my lean time finally worked itself out), I thought long and hard about this. Too many computers in my life already. I decided that my bike would be the one thing that was still all analog.
Since then, we've seen the pressure the EPA is putting on the MoCo. Buy a new M8 and you can only get the tune that the EPA says you can have, or lose your warranty.
That just rubs me the wrong way.
I'm not anti-FI. I'm just pretty much an anarchist who is sick of every single thing getting regulated. I figure the best way to "resist" is to just not play along.
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Yea, Jurob personally PM me first. I answerd, " why would I want a headache." Then he post I PM him and attacked him. He does not know me at all or he would know when I go full pit bull it aint pretty. LMAO
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What's cool to me about a carb bike is you do the tuning with small parts that are in your hands; you can see, touch, TASTE the tuning process - it's physical/mechanical. On FI bikes, the tuning takes place in a black box and/or on a screen. No doubt, FI is probably the better mousetrap, newer, more advanced, etc. Both bikes in my sig are carb bikes (the Kawi 750 has four carbs!). I had newer FI I-3 and I-4 bikes that I eventually traded or sold; for my bike dollar, I like older stuff.
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I pm'd you first? What about this pm pit bull? "Please return to evo forum and explain to us your great injection wisdom"
Remember, you have never owned a fuel injected bike.
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If you have not figured out my side of the story yet its because of your reading comprehension skills.
I am a animal lover and don't believe in "attacking" dumb animals. So take your thin skinned cry baby azz back to your momma's basement and don't interrupt when grown ups are talking.
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So you are Ace, I'll go on with life then.
I have mentioned before about the flat EFI idle that killed the Evo soul, went as far as removing the center divider of the plenom causing cylinder cross talk allowing the Evo idle. The downfall of the open divider was more air but the M&M ran out of fuel delivery to match the air for a 100 hp Evo. Since I had extensive back ground in EFI and being stubborn it was going to work, fought trying to control detonation with the M&M on the edge of fuel delivering even with red injectors finally giving in to a carb.
Tuned a CV carb with the same Wego system that I built the EFI map with on the same engine. Couldn't get the Afr"s under 14.5 roll on throttle with the EFI and the carb could easily flood it, got my 13.6 running down the road plus throttle roll on would pull back to 12.8 with the carb accell pump and clean back up to 13.6 which is safe with compression, a solid 13.2 wide open throttle was obtained. The engine with EFI would only run with the stroked Shovelhead buddies soon pulled away from them with a modded CV carb, the 45 Mikuni gave it even a little bit more.
Although I make my living with diagnostics of EFI on medium and large commercial engines, still can make a carb do what it takes for everyday riding. The aftermarket bored R1 carb works flawlessly on a 130" engine that are known to be finicky with street manors.
Still will stand by a carb is the answer on a Evo from having both on the same engine which was the 89". The 130" tamed with a carb drives the point
I have mentioned before about the flat EFI idle that killed the Evo soul, went as far as removing the center divider of the plenom causing cylinder cross talk allowing the Evo idle. The downfall of the open divider was more air but the M&M ran out of fuel delivery to match the air for a 100 hp Evo. Since I had extensive back ground in EFI and being stubborn it was going to work, fought trying to control detonation with the M&M on the edge of fuel delivering even with red injectors finally giving in to a carb.
Tuned a CV carb with the same Wego system that I built the EFI map with on the same engine. Couldn't get the Afr"s under 14.5 roll on throttle with the EFI and the carb could easily flood it, got my 13.6 running down the road plus throttle roll on would pull back to 12.8 with the carb accell pump and clean back up to 13.6 which is safe with compression, a solid 13.2 wide open throttle was obtained. The engine with EFI would only run with the stroked Shovelhead buddies soon pulled away from them with a modded CV carb, the 45 Mikuni gave it even a little bit more.
Although I make my living with diagnostics of EFI on medium and large commercial engines, still can make a carb do what it takes for everyday riding. The aftermarket bored R1 carb works flawlessly on a 130" engine that are known to be finicky with street manors.
Still will stand by a carb is the answer on a Evo from having both on the same engine which was the 89". The 130" tamed with a carb drives the point
Last edited by 1997bagger; May 17, 2017 at 10:09 PM.
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It's simple to me. I grew up with carbs and points. I know every which way to R&R, tweak, diagnose, repair, etc, even on the side of the road. They work for me. I feel comfortable with them.
I do enjoy electronic ignition, it's nice not to have to adjust/change points. I enjoy fuel injection on my truck. But my Evo Harley will stay carbed because that's the way I like it.
If you want FI on your ****, do it. I couldn't GAF less. It's yours, not mine.
I do enjoy electronic ignition, it's nice not to have to adjust/change points. I enjoy fuel injection on my truck. But my Evo Harley will stay carbed because that's the way I like it.
If you want FI on your ****, do it. I couldn't GAF less. It's yours, not mine.