Intro and 60k Evo manintenance....
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From: Up North, WI
Specifically, what year(s) did this cam bearing problem take place? Is there a past link, or thread that deals with this topic. I'm getting that it started sometime in the 90's, but for how long? Till '98? OMG! HELP!!! Not really that excited, but, um, ya know?
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From: Wherever, MI
Another piece of info - Google
"The Engine Build Date Determines the Defect
First lets see who is affected by this bearing failure and who isnt.The build date of your engine, (from Milwaukees massive Pilgrim Rd. plant) and NOT the assembly date, (which is done in the York Pennsylvania plant), of the motorcycle is the important piece of information to determine whether the old style no good ball bearings are installed in the cam support plate or the new improved roller bearings, (part # 8984), are there. You or your dealer can phone the Factory with two engine serial numbers, the vehicle identification number, (VIN), that your bike is registered with off the left side engine casing at the base of the cylinders and the motor number off the bottom of the right engine case. If your engine was built before Dec. 14 1999 then you have the problem ball bearings. On and after Dec. 14 1999 and the new improved roller bearings with the new cam support plate will have been installed in your engine.Harleys are built in ˝ years not the full yearly production you are probably more familiar with. Each manufacturing year has an early and late production. For example; in general, the early 2000 models will have fewer changes than the later 2000 manufactured bikes. HD introduces many mechanical changes half way through the year to correct problems and for a variety of other reasons. Therefore early 2000 bikes will mechanically mimic late 1999 models while late 2000 bikes will be more similar to early 2001 models."
Also you can go to this site and enter your vin and get some info:
https://www.harley-davidson.com/EX/M...mby9BovNYN_TWF
"The Engine Build Date Determines the Defect
First lets see who is affected by this bearing failure and who isnt.The build date of your engine, (from Milwaukees massive Pilgrim Rd. plant) and NOT the assembly date, (which is done in the York Pennsylvania plant), of the motorcycle is the important piece of information to determine whether the old style no good ball bearings are installed in the cam support plate or the new improved roller bearings, (part # 8984), are there. You or your dealer can phone the Factory with two engine serial numbers, the vehicle identification number, (VIN), that your bike is registered with off the left side engine casing at the base of the cylinders and the motor number off the bottom of the right engine case. If your engine was built before Dec. 14 1999 then you have the problem ball bearings. On and after Dec. 14 1999 and the new improved roller bearings with the new cam support plate will have been installed in your engine.Harleys are built in ˝ years not the full yearly production you are probably more familiar with. Each manufacturing year has an early and late production. For example; in general, the early 2000 models will have fewer changes than the later 2000 manufactured bikes. HD introduces many mechanical changes half way through the year to correct problems and for a variety of other reasons. Therefore early 2000 bikes will mechanically mimic late 1999 models while late 2000 bikes will be more similar to early 2001 models."
Also you can go to this site and enter your vin and get some info:
https://www.harley-davidson.com/EX/M...mby9BovNYN_TWF
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From: North Atlanta Area, GA
The big difference between the Evo forum and the Touring forum:
On the Evo forum:
I just bought a Evo with 100K miles on it. My front wheel comes off the ground in 2nd gear when I nail it. My friend's does that in 3rd. Should I change the oil?
On the Touring board:
I just bought a 2010 Ultra Classic FLHTUCEIEIO. Is it normal to get a 2nd degree burn on your thighs from the engine heat? How can I mount my 500 watt base cannon and still have enough amps left over for my 1KW electric underwear? I only have 20 miles on it, but I want new mufflers that sound just right, ear splitting but not drowing out the stereo. Will the Kury's do that?
On the Evo forum:
I just bought a Evo with 100K miles on it. My front wheel comes off the ground in 2nd gear when I nail it. My friend's does that in 3rd. Should I change the oil?
On the Touring board:
I just bought a 2010 Ultra Classic FLHTUCEIEIO. Is it normal to get a 2nd degree burn on your thighs from the engine heat? How can I mount my 500 watt base cannon and still have enough amps left over for my 1KW electric underwear? I only have 20 miles on it, but I want new mufflers that sound just right, ear splitting but not drowing out the stereo. Will the Kury's do that?
At the risk of being called Lazarus, I am trolling through all the old threads to learn stuff (occasionally resurrecting some), and came across this one. I haven't even read it all the way through yet, but I had to respond to Doc's post.
It's so true! The Touring forum guys are just not my type... there it seems to be all about "bling"... like what year your bike is (newer=better), whether it has ABS brakes, a security system, and the H-D GPS, what type H-D jacket you wear, etc. The guys here aren't not like that at all... they care about the machine and how to service it, how to make it run better, and just helping people out - and they know what they are talking about. I've learned a boatload here, and I look forward to continuing to learn more.
To the OP... this is a great thread! Just don't type in all caps like I did on my intro recently, or Graham will nicely and quite Britishly ask that you keep it quiet in here...
Actually, it's a good idea, Graham. I was just excited at first!
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From: North Atlanta Area, GA
Buy quality push rods also. People have been disappointed with stuff off eBay when they bend or the nuts come loose. And make sure they are "Easy" install pushrods, because there are adjustable pushrods out there that you still have to pull the top of the motor off to put in, including those sold as "Screaming Eagle." Ask me how I know.
From the Touring board: I just got passed by this Evo that pulled the front wheel off when he hit 2nd. If I upgrade to a 103" high compression, flowed heads and big cams, will I be able to keep up?
From the Touring board: I just got passed by this Evo that pulled the front wheel off when he hit 2nd. If I upgrade to a 103" high compression, flowed heads and big cams, will I be able to keep up?
I posted in another thread that I pulled a wheelie in 2nd gear with my wife on the back, while riding with a bunch of twinkie baggers. They couldn't believe it! Sweet!
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I luv sand baggin' here, You guy's are a blast!!! One day I hope we can all meet for beer & burgers!
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From: Highspire Pa
If you want to save money consider the Jireh catalog and using Ultima parts. I used the regular Harley "B" lifters in my 80" as well but the newer Ultima lifters work well enough in their big inch engines, they should work well with a stock engine, and they cost a lot less. You may want to make sure the adjustable pushrods are the quick change type.
http://www.ultimaproducts.com/enginereferenceguide.html
As for oil, this is from the Balckstone web site:
What's the best oil to use?
Ah, the million dollar question. We are an independent lab, so we don't make recommendations. It has been our experience that oil is oil, and either petroleum or synthetic-based oil will work well for just about any engine.
Come on, you're holding out on me. I should use synthetic, right?
Buddy, you should use whatever you want. Synthetic oil won't guarantee a longer engine life any more than my eating organic food will guarantee I'll live until I'm 90. We here at Blackstone generally use regular petroleum-based oil because honestly, it works just as well for us.
http://www.blackstone-labs.com/faq.php
http://www.ultimaproducts.com/enginereferenceguide.html
As for oil, this is from the Balckstone web site:
What's the best oil to use?
Ah, the million dollar question. We are an independent lab, so we don't make recommendations. It has been our experience that oil is oil, and either petroleum or synthetic-based oil will work well for just about any engine.
Come on, you're holding out on me. I should use synthetic, right?
Buddy, you should use whatever you want. Synthetic oil won't guarantee a longer engine life any more than my eating organic food will guarantee I'll live until I'm 90. We here at Blackstone generally use regular petroleum-based oil because honestly, it works just as well for us.
http://www.blackstone-labs.com/faq.php
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From: Russellville, Arkansas
I believe 1993 was when they switched to INA bearing. I rode for years before I found out that they switched bearings. Fortunately, the EVO section had the information I needed. I changed the bearing to the Torrington, even though I was having no trouble with the INA. Peace of mind.....
Most dealers have nothing that fits the EVO anymore.....so dealers suck when it comes to parts. Aftermarket is just about the only way to go.....
Anyways, the EVO is just right for me....Simple and it works rather well. Not the fastest, but always gets me there and back.
Most dealers have nothing that fits the EVO anymore.....so dealers suck when it comes to parts. Aftermarket is just about the only way to go.....
Anyways, the EVO is just right for me....Simple and it works rather well. Not the fastest, but always gets me there and back.
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