S&S Carburator for my ' 85 Classic
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S&S Carburator for my ' 85 Classic
Hi Guys (Newbie)
I have a '85 Evo 1340cc Harely. Need to replace the carb. after all these years of hard starting and farting and snezzing to get it goin'
I know after you guys helping me I need " SUPER E "
carb. However . . .
Question(s) Please
1. Why do I have to give the year of my bike when I ready to order the Super E Carb ?
2. Where would be the BEST PLACE to buy the " E "
carb ~ Harley Dealership or Ebay ?
So there anything that I have to watch out for
went installing the carb ?
Thanks guys
I have a '85 Evo 1340cc Harely. Need to replace the carb. after all these years of hard starting and farting and snezzing to get it goin'
I know after you guys helping me I need " SUPER E "
carb. However . . .
Question(s) Please
1. Why do I have to give the year of my bike when I ready to order the Super E Carb ?
2. Where would be the BEST PLACE to buy the " E "
carb ~ Harley Dealership or Ebay ?
So there anything that I have to watch out for
went installing the carb ?
Thanks guys
Road Warrior
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Personally, id would keep the carb you have, just have it reworked.
(ck out the link below)
or Use a Mikiuni 42mm.
http://woodcarbs.com/carbs.htm
(ck out the link below)
or Use a Mikiuni 42mm.
http://woodcarbs.com/carbs.htm
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If you do have the Keihin CV carb- keep it, they are great. Just get it fixed - which usually means replacing the rubber parts...$25
You can find great info on the CV at Nightrider.com
The stock carb on the 85 was the Keihin butterfly carb, not so great.
The advantage of the Keihin CV is that they are cheap, usually $40 at swap meets.
Easy to rebuild, tune, modify And the design is self compensating for altitude.
The Mikuni, S&S and Butterfly do not, and often need adjustment if you change altitude.
I live in Phoenix at 1200 feet, I often go to 8000 feet, so this is important for me.
If you are set on the S&S don't buy one used, get a new one from an independent dealer, S&S should be able to refer you to one nearby and help with general tuning questions.
MK
You can find great info on the CV at Nightrider.com
The stock carb on the 85 was the Keihin butterfly carb, not so great.
The advantage of the Keihin CV is that they are cheap, usually $40 at swap meets.
Easy to rebuild, tune, modify And the design is self compensating for altitude.
The Mikuni, S&S and Butterfly do not, and often need adjustment if you change altitude.
I live in Phoenix at 1200 feet, I often go to 8000 feet, so this is important for me.
If you are set on the S&S don't buy one used, get a new one from an independent dealer, S&S should be able to refer you to one nearby and help with general tuning questions.
MK
Last edited by mkguitar; Oct 10, 2010 at 01:03 AM. Reason: clarity
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Rebuilding My Keihin CV Carb Will Take Lots Of Experience
Hey mkguitar
I heard so much about how GREAT the S&s " E " Carburators are I figure I'd buy one NEW.
Now for the rebuilding my KEIHIN CV ~ How much experince does one need to due the job correctly ?
I'm sure its more than just replacing the rubber parts on the carb ?
I live the Las Vegas ( the valley ) no problem with altitude.
Have you ever or any you guys out there in Harley land ever
rebuilt a HEIHIN CV Carb ?
Thanks guy
I heard so much about how GREAT the S&s " E " Carburators are I figure I'd buy one NEW.
Now for the rebuilding my KEIHIN CV ~ How much experince does one need to due the job correctly ?
I'm sure its more than just replacing the rubber parts on the carb ?
I live the Las Vegas ( the valley ) no problem with altitude.
Have you ever or any you guys out there in Harley land ever
rebuilt a HEIHIN CV Carb ?
Thanks guy
If you do have the Keihin CV carb- keep it, they are great. Just get it fixed - which usually means replacing the rubber parts...$25
You can find great info on the CV at Nightrider.com
The stock carb on the 85 was the Keihin butterfly carb, not so great.
The advantage of the Keihin CV is that they are cheap, usually $40 at swap meets.
Easy to rebuild, tune, modify And the design is self compensating for altitude.
The Mikuni, S&S and Butterfly do not, and often need adjustment if you change altitude.
I live in Phoenix at 1200 feet, I often go to 8000 feet, so this is important for me.
If you are set on the S&S don't buy one used, get a new one from an independent dealer, S&S should be able to refer you to one nearby and help with general tuning questions.
MK
You can find great info on the CV at Nightrider.com
The stock carb on the 85 was the Keihin butterfly carb, not so great.
The advantage of the Keihin CV is that they are cheap, usually $40 at swap meets.
Easy to rebuild, tune, modify And the design is self compensating for altitude.
The Mikuni, S&S and Butterfly do not, and often need adjustment if you change altitude.
I live in Phoenix at 1200 feet, I often go to 8000 feet, so this is important for me.
If you are set on the S&S don't buy one used, get a new one from an independent dealer, S&S should be able to refer you to one nearby and help with general tuning questions.
MK
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Rebuilding a CV is easy. The S&S Super E is a good carb too. I have an 85 too. I ran the Super E for a while then I put on a CV because I had a forward facing air filter that a customer changed his mind on so I put it on my bike. The bike runs the same with either carb. Not enough difference to say that one is so much better than the other. If you want to go the easy way buy the S&S. If you want to go the cheap way buy a CV.
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They will need to know the year so you get the right air cleaner backing plate set up in the kit.I agree dont"t buy a used one,because by the time you buy all the parts that are usually missing you could have bought a new kit.Hate to say it but the mail order warehouses(JP Cycle...etc) are usually the least inexspensive way to go,unless you have a good relationship with an independant shop.
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I run a Super E on my 91 Ultra. It goes well with the Andrews EV46, Baisley Pro Street Heads, Daytona Single Fire Ignition, and Supertrapp 2-1. Starts good, runs good, 40 - 50 mpg depending on my right hand.... I go from sea level to about 4000 feet depending on which way I go from home, but I've never noticed much difference in that range of elevation change. Still runs hard!
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The Easier Softer Way with the CV
Hey Wfolarry
Just asking. You say you have a '85 is it a 1340cc
Evo?
With the original KEIHIN CV carb on it ?
You said, " Not enough difference to say that one is so much better than the other. If you want to go the easy way buy the S&S."
At a price well over $400.00 for the Super "E" don't
you think there's a BIG difference ? Did I get you right about you having the S&S on you 1985 H-D ?
Now I'm really confused
and don't know what the heck to do. A rebuild kit would run about $100 at the most. The problem is will it do the job of running my engine starts easier and having my engine run smooooth ?
As oppose to the new S&S Super "E" being put on my bike.
HELP !
Hey you guys give me something details and the PROS & CONS OF BOTH CHOICES PLEASE
Just asking. You say you have a '85 is it a 1340cc
Evo?
With the original KEIHIN CV carb on it ?
You said, " Not enough difference to say that one is so much better than the other. If you want to go the easy way buy the S&S."
At a price well over $400.00 for the Super "E" don't
you think there's a BIG difference ? Did I get you right about you having the S&S on you 1985 H-D ?
Now I'm really confused
and don't know what the heck to do. A rebuild kit would run about $100 at the most. The problem is will it do the job of running my engine starts easier and having my engine run smooooth ?As oppose to the new S&S Super "E" being put on my bike.
HELP !
Hey you guys give me something details and the PROS & CONS OF BOTH CHOICES PLEASE
Rebuilding a CV is easy. The S&S Super E is a good carb too. I have an 85 too. I ran the Super E for a while then I put on a CV because I had a forward facing air filter that a customer changed his mind on so I put it on my bike. The bike runs the same with either carb. Not enough difference to say that one is so much better than the other. If you want to go the easy way buy the S&S. If you want to go the cheap way buy a CV.
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If it is beyond you, get the CV rebuilt by a tech.
There is nothing to replace but the rubber parts. float needle valve, jets maybe, slide diaphram etc.
Finding a good kit can be a pain- I think I used james gaskets kit last time...
If you are having real problems with cold starts, look for a leak at the intake manifold, where it goes into the head.
You can use a can of wd40 with the tube on the nozzle to locate leaks, when the idle picks up or smooths out, that means the wd40 is sealing the leak momentarily.
If you have the stock 'compliance" manifold with black plastic sleeves it is likely to have a leaker. There are good solid manifolds. ramm jett for one.
my evo bagger with SE air cleaner and pipes uses a 42 slow, 165 hi and N65C needle, slide drilled a chamfered. 44 mpg @ 65 mph
Mike
There is nothing to replace but the rubber parts. float needle valve, jets maybe, slide diaphram etc.
Finding a good kit can be a pain- I think I used james gaskets kit last time...
If you are having real problems with cold starts, look for a leak at the intake manifold, where it goes into the head.
You can use a can of wd40 with the tube on the nozzle to locate leaks, when the idle picks up or smooths out, that means the wd40 is sealing the leak momentarily.
If you have the stock 'compliance" manifold with black plastic sleeves it is likely to have a leaker. There are good solid manifolds. ramm jett for one.
my evo bagger with SE air cleaner and pipes uses a 42 slow, 165 hi and N65C needle, slide drilled a chamfered. 44 mpg @ 65 mph
Mike
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