Screaming Eagle Stage 103 Stage IV...component changes ?
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Screaming Eagle Stage 103 Stage IV...component changes ?
Hey Fellas,...I'm still kicking around thoughts of a build for my 2008 Street Glide. My selling dealer is having one of those 15% off every thing sales right now, and if it includes engine components, they'll add it to your existing warranty. I was lookin through the S.E. catologue and was lookin at the 103 stage 4 kit Part # 27517-08A. I already have the SEST, a Bassani RR 2-1, and SE intake/Zippers filter, HQ-500 cams. My concerns/questions are about the SE260 cam. Is this a cam that comes on late in the power band ? Is this kit more suitable for softails or dyna's ? Could the cams in this kit be swapped out for something else ? Just not sure of which road to take...I know a few people here have used this kit; some with sucess others not so much. I just don't want to create a science project. Any suggestions please....greatly appreciated.
Joe
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I have riden my Stage IV and played with it, cams, etc. for over a year. The SE260 cam comes on like gangbuster at around 3,500 rpm and pulls strong up to 6,500 rpm. But it sucks for lazy, low rpm riding. Most likely, your dealer will let you swap the 260 for another HD cam. If this is the case, for all around riding you should look at the SE-259E cam. It has an earlier intake closure than the SE-260 so they will need to look at how that cam will increase your CR so they can adjust the head gasket should they need to.
If they will not allow you to swap cams, I HIGHLY recommend you sell the HQ-500 and get the Tman Performance TR-590 cam for that build. Its comparable to the SE-259E but with slightly more lift.
These are my opinions based not on what I've read or heard, but from practical experience. By the way, my exhaust for most of the past year has been the D&D 2 into 1 Fat Cat.
Good luck and have fun with your new engine.
Jim
If they will not allow you to swap cams, I HIGHLY recommend you sell the HQ-500 and get the Tman Performance TR-590 cam for that build. Its comparable to the SE-259E but with slightly more lift.
These are my opinions based not on what I've read or heard, but from practical experience. By the way, my exhaust for most of the past year has been the D&D 2 into 1 Fat Cat.
Good luck and have fun with your new engine.
Jim
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I assume you are dumping the HQ500s to stick with SE components and maintaining warranty. The dealers in my area will not let you substitute one SE cam for the cam that is in the kit. They have to buy the kit, it's not a menu driven deal. However, they will install any SE cam you choose, you just have to pay for it.
The SE260 late intake close of 58* indicates that it will be turd until you hit 3500-4000 rpms. Take a look at the SE211, intake close of 45* will give you more on the lower end of the rpm range and it also performs well at higher rpms ranges. A .030" Cometic MLS head gasket will tighten up the squish and help with the compression just a bit.
The SE260 late intake close of 58* indicates that it will be turd until you hit 3500-4000 rpms. Take a look at the SE211, intake close of 45* will give you more on the lower end of the rpm range and it also performs well at higher rpms ranges. A .030" Cometic MLS head gasket will tighten up the squish and help with the compression just a bit.
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By the way, I suggest you get it in writing that your dealer will include the 103 Stage IV parts on your warranty. According to some dealers I have talked to, any part in the SE catalog with the crossed flags emblem is considered a "racing" part and therefore is NOT covered under a warranty. And before others join in with their experiences, etc. yes, my dealer said this...my dealer said that. I'm just saying....its in your best interest to take a sheet of paper with you that your Service Manager can sign that simply states they will warranty the parts listed on the final invoice and attach the invoice to the sheet of paper.
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if you dont want to make a science project out of it, save your cams, then have HQ do your heads, and just have your barrels bored for some 103 flat tops, you will have your cake and eat it too for like 1000$ less.
I rebuilt my whole top end at 2300 miles, i was worried about the warranty for like 1 milli-second after i cracked the throttle open. you will be out of warranty SO quick it wont matter, esp. if the work is done by quality builders.
I rebuilt my whole top end at 2300 miles, i was worried about the warranty for like 1 milli-second after i cracked the throttle open. you will be out of warranty SO quick it wont matter, esp. if the work is done by quality builders.
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Thanks everyone for the replies and suggestions. I remember when I had the HQ-500 cams installed in my bike. It was at an HD dealer(also carries HQ packages), the young jerk punk started writing up the work order; when I handed him my SEST he turns to me and says " you know you just voided the warranty on your bike ". From what I understand he is no longer the service manager. Anyways, the only reason I went to this dealership is for dyno tuning, and their tech is very familiar with HQ builds. Only problem is that it's 3 hours from my home. Gonna have to find someone closer, and who has a better attitude. I have all the confindence in the world in the HQ stuff, just wanted to explore my options and see if it was worth it to try the SE stuff. Thanks for all the help....
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Your service advisor was misinformed. Your warranty is protected under 50-state federal law and is not voided with the use of unauthorized parts, otherwise the dealer would be required to provide those parts as part of your coverage. You can put whatever parts you want on the bike, and if the dealer refuses to provide coverage, he must provide proof at his expense that the part in question caused the failure. If he can prove that, he is not required to repair the affected parts under warranty. That's it...
Anything else you're told is heresay and is all about selling you parts and service.
Anything else you're told is heresay and is all about selling you parts and service.
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I believe Firetender is referring to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1965. Under the provisions of this act, a dealership cannot void your warranty because your vehicle has been modified with aftermarket parts. They have to prove that the failure was the direct result of the installed aftermarket part. Unfortunately, too many folks have gone to a dealer to have warranty service performed on their modified vehicle only to have the dealer refuse to cover the defective items. The dealer usually states, that because of the aftermarket parts installed, the warranty is void (without even attempting to determine whether or not the aftermarket part caused the problem). This is illegal...period.
Having said that, anyone that installs aftermarket parts on a bike that is still under warranty and expects the dealer and the MoCo to roll over and make any future repairs under the factory warranty is naive. Expect a long fight with a short stick and the odds are against you; you are betting against the house.
Having said that, anyone that installs aftermarket parts on a bike that is still under warranty and expects the dealer and the MoCo to roll over and make any future repairs under the factory warranty is naive. Expect a long fight with a short stick and the odds are against you; you are betting against the house.
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