Helmet Debate
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From: Northern Illinois
Ha...I joined the Marines when I was 17....and was doing stuff much more dangerous than riding a motorcycle. You're a legal adult at 18, and I think that is the age when you should be able to make your own choices and live with the consequences or benefits.
When it's your time, it's your time. If it's not your time, carry on. Regardless of how old you are. I don't believe in government playing the part of big brother.
When it's your time, it's your time. If it's not your time, carry on. Regardless of how old you are. I don't believe in government playing the part of big brother.
Last edited by 13RKC; Feb 1, 2016 at 05:32 PM.
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From: Ft.Worth, Texas
I wonder if we would be having this debate if the subject was "texting while driving" . Some government is necessary. Seat belts have proven to save thousands of lives. I remember lots of people raising hell when that law went in affect.
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Ha...I joined the Marines when I was 17....and was doing stuff much more dangerous than riding a motorcycle. You're a legal adult at 18, and I think that is the age when you should be able to make your own choices and live with the consequences or benefits.
When it's your time, it's your time. If it's not your time, carry on. Regardless of how old you are. I don't believe in government playing the part of big brother.
When it's your time, it's your time. If it's not your time, carry on. Regardless of how old you are. I don't believe in government playing the part of big brother.
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I'm sorry but I don't buy it because it will never end with these people. If they had their way all you will be able to buy is a battery powered motorcycle.
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From: TN
you can always make an argument that "something will save lives". The question is, how much freedom are you willing to give up? Soon you won't even be able to buy a motorcycle without ABS even though you specifically do not want that on your motorcycle nor are you willing to pay for it. Tough ****. If it saves "one" life...
I'm sorry but I don't buy it because it will never end with these people. If they had their way all you will be able to buy is a battery powered motorcycle.
I'm sorry but I don't buy it because it will never end with these people. If they had their way all you will be able to buy is a battery powered motorcycle.
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From: Southern IL
IL doesn't require you wear a helmet, but get caught without your seatbelt and you are going down! Doesn't make a damn bit of sense. There is no doubt that helmets save lives, same as seatbelts. Personally I think both should be personal choice. As far as 18 vs 21, 18 is to immature for anything. Even to vote IMHO. Some of these kids today are way out of touch with reality. Military service excepted as most reach a degree of maturity and responsibility. Fire away.
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From: Bakoville
The laws about texting when driving, DUI, etc are about protecting innocent people who have no choice about their safety, do to other people choosing to put them in harms way by driving distracted or drunk.
Helmet and seat belt laws, for adults, only "protect" the single person in that situation. I cannot harm others by not wearing a seat belt or a helmet. Only myself. I have lost my freedom to choose. That is an infringement on my personal freedom and my pursuit of happiness.
Protecting the population from itself in such a manner is the first step towards a controlled population. When you are controlled by others, you are not free.
Remember when you couldn't wait to get out of Mom and Dad's house so you could do want you want? Welcome to Big Brother's house. IMO
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Joined: Mar 2014
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From: Arizona
Motorcycles are not a necessity so why not make them illegal all together? Is it not safer to take public transportation or drive a Volvo. Funny to me how people are so quick to take others freedoms (to protect them) while they smoke a cigarette, stuffing their face until they need medical intervention all the while telling others how to prolong their life!
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The laws about texting when driving, DUI, etc are about protecting innocent people who have no choice about their safety, do to other people choosing to put them in harms way by driving distracted or drunk.
Helmet and seat belt laws, for adults, only "protect" the single person in that situation. I cannot harm others by not wearing a seat belt or a helmet. Only myself. I have lost my freedom to choose. That is an infringement on my personal freedom and my pursuit of happiness.
Protecting the population from itself in such a manner is the first step towards a controlled population. When you are controlled by others, you are not free.
Remember when you couldn't wait to get out of Mom and Dad's house so you could do want you want? Welcome to Big Brother's house. IMO
Helmet and seat belt laws, for adults, only "protect" the single person in that situation. I cannot harm others by not wearing a seat belt or a helmet. Only myself. I have lost my freedom to choose. That is an infringement on my personal freedom and my pursuit of happiness.
Protecting the population from itself in such a manner is the first step towards a controlled population. When you are controlled by others, you are not free.
Remember when you couldn't wait to get out of Mom and Dad's house so you could do want you want? Welcome to Big Brother's house. IMO
Keeping me from risking my own life where it would goes no one else physical harm is tyrannical and a sign of a totalitarian regime.
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Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, this is something difficult/impossible to understand until you actually experience it. Or at least have personal experience tending to someone that has experienced this. I have never seen statistics, or studies of any kind, regarding the 'lives' of people that haven't died immediately after receiving a head injury. Probably because it would involve years of studying how a persons life turned out. And it is somewhat subjective in nature.