Counter-steering
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So a lady in Texas asked me once if I was smart enough to counter-steer and asked me to prove it. So I looked around and said "you've got 150 head out there".
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FNGonaRK was joking. The handlebars rotate on bearings. They only rotate, you can not push them forward, backward, up or down. It's not like the joystick of a plane.
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If you have a push mower with only one blade, you will notice the engine puts a rotational torque on the whole machine opposite of the direction of the blades. If your blades spin clockwise, you do counter-clockwise-steering.
If you have a riding mower with two blades, they sell a kit that makes one blade spin counter-clockwise, and the other clockwise. This eliminates the need to counter-clockwise-steer.
If you have a riding mower with two blades, they sell a kit that makes one blade spin counter-clockwise, and the other clockwise. This eliminates the need to counter-clockwise-steer.
The same thing happens with rotary wing aircraft. That's what the tail rotor is for, to counter-act the torque effect.
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I just read a good deal of this thread where I was involved. I can see I got some stuff wrong, but I am confident that anyone reading this thread in the future will come away with a very good understanding of what is the proper way to implement and use counter-steering on the street and also the theory of counter-steering. Not from me so much, but from some of the responses to my posts.
The key point is, according to keith, that a stable lean angle is a very rare event on the street. It may not be rare on the track(because of design of the track), but on the street it is rare. If (and when) you reach a stable lean angle counter-steering is no longer required.
I am not so sure that a stable lean angle should be rare for street riding. If it was the MSF would not teach the Look, Lean and Roll Method.
The key point is, according to keith, that a stable lean angle is a very rare event on the street. It may not be rare on the track(because of design of the track), but on the street it is rare. If (and when) you reach a stable lean angle counter-steering is no longer required.
I am not so sure that a stable lean angle should be rare for street riding. If it was the MSF would not teach the Look, Lean and Roll Method.
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The key point is, according to keith, a stable lean angle is a very rare event on the street. It may not be rare on the track(because of the quality of the racers), but on the street it is rare. When you reach a stable lean angle counter-steering is no longer required.
I am not so sure that a stable lean angle should be rare for street riding. If it was the MSF would not teach the Look, Lean and Roll Method.
I am not so sure that a stable lean angle should be rare for street riding. If it was the MSF would not teach the Look, Lean and Roll Method.
What "should" happen is a theory. What does happen is real life. This is how I know that you are not a motorcyclist, because you cannot differentiate between what ought to be from what is.
Where is my apology?
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A stable lean has nothing to do with the quality of the rider and everything to do with the circumstances associated with the turn.
What "should" happen is a theory. What does happen is real life. This is how I know that you are not a motorcyclist, because you cannot differentiate between what ought to be from what is.
Where is my apology?
What "should" happen is a theory. What does happen is real life. This is how I know that you are not a motorcyclist, because you cannot differentiate between what ought to be from what is.
Where is my apology?
Race tracks must be designed with constant radius turns, or some other formula.
