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Old Oct 25, 2016 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MikerR1
So I guess you are saying that the reason that stable lean angles are rare on the street is because of the way the streets are designed?

Race tracks must be designed with constant radius turns, or some other formula.
Road design has an affect, but so does a lot of other factors. BTW, not all turns on all racetracks have constant radii. Not that it matters to the rider one way or another.

Where is my apology?
 
Old Oct 25, 2016 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by keith_stepp
Road design has an affect, but so does a lot of other factors. BTW, not all turns on all racetracks have constant radii. Not that it matters to the rider one way or another.

Where is my apology?

I did not think that all turns were constant radii either.

You got my apology, You responded to it rudely but you know which post contains it.
 
Old Oct 25, 2016 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MikerR1
You got my apology...
Really? lol

You responded to it rudely but you know which post contains it.
I responded in the manner your "apology" deserved.

Now. Do everyone a favor and stop posting in this thread. It is over. Do yourself a favor and go for a ride... on whatever you got.
 
Old Oct 25, 2016 | 03:57 PM
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Since there are so many quotes, I'll quote the Doobies;
"You don't know my kind in your world
Fairly soon, the time will tell
You, telling me the things you're gonna do for me
I ain't blind and I don't like what I think I see
Takin' it to the streets"

Don't know Miker but he R1.
 
Old Oct 25, 2016 | 04:24 PM
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It is not counter-steering that is the problem.

The reason we cannot find a stable lean angle is because people naturally are afraid of leaning their motorcycles. Fear of leaning is part of the problem. Plus our bikes will not allow it. For instance the lean angle of my bike is 25°.

There are studies that suggest most individuals have a natural inhibition to lean angles over (approximately) 20 degrees. This is due to routine activities experienced by individuals, as well as examples found in nature. The good news is that we can train ourselves to exceed this routine limiting factor.
http://ridemsta.com/srblog/lean-angle/
 

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Old Oct 25, 2016 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MikerR1
It is not counter-steering that is the problem.

The reason we cannot find a stable lean angle is because people naturally are afraid of leaning their motorcycles. It is the fear of leaning that is part of the problem
Again... it is not that simple. What is your problem? You keep looking for a straightforward answer to a very complex question. None of which has anything to do with counter-steering and how it works.
 
Old Oct 25, 2016 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by keith_stepp
Again... it is not that simple. What is your problem? You keep looking for a straightforward answer to a very complex question. None of which has anything to do with counter-steering and how it works.
I did not say it was that simple or mean to imply it. I think they are related.
 

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Old Oct 25, 2016 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MikerR1
I think they are related.
I think your parents were.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2016 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MikerR1
I did not say it was that simple or mean to imply it. I think they are related.
It can be.

It still does not explain why you insist on keeping this thread alive long past its natural life.
 
Old Oct 25, 2016 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by keith_stepp
It can be.

It still does not explain why you insist on keeping this thread alive long past its natural life.
Maybe if we stop responding to the loon that started this thread, it'll die peacefully.....
 



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