Counter-steering
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The back pressure is caused by the wheel wanting to straighten itself out.
There are two ways to relieve that pressure...(I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong)
1. take your hands off the bar
or , and this is the important one,
2. turn the wheel the other way and into the turn so the wheel is pointing in the direction you are going. If your lean angle is right for your speed (stable lean angle) the back pressure should be gone, if not you are going to have to counter-steer some more.
I think the reason people have to counter-steer through a curve is because their speed is to high. If you are counter-steering through the curve you did not slow down enough before you entered the turn. As the video of the motorcycle racer shows, even the racers do not intend to counter-steer through the curve. They counter-steer before the turn and get into position and steer into the turn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDeSn_QJ_sI#t=13m30s
"You lift your body and shift you weight to the right, when you do that, you automatically press on your right hand which makes the bike counter-steer, which is making the bike tip over, and once you get down there and into position you stop the counter-steer."
There are two ways to relieve that pressure...(I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong)
1. take your hands off the bar
or , and this is the important one,
2. turn the wheel the other way and into the turn so the wheel is pointing in the direction you are going. If your lean angle is right for your speed (stable lean angle) the back pressure should be gone, if not you are going to have to counter-steer some more.
I think the reason people have to counter-steer through a curve is because their speed is to high. If you are counter-steering through the curve you did not slow down enough before you entered the turn. As the video of the motorcycle racer shows, even the racers do not intend to counter-steer through the curve. They counter-steer before the turn and get into position and steer into the turn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDeSn_QJ_sI#t=13m30s
"You lift your body and shift you weight to the right, when you do that, you automatically press on your right hand which makes the bike counter-steer, which is making the bike tip over, and once you get down there and into position you stop the counter-steer."
Last edited by MikerR1; Oct 26, 2016 at 09:46 AM.
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If by 'unstable lean' you mean centrifugal force is attempting to push the scooter to the outside of the turn, that is what some of us having been posting. And isn't it amazing that the wheel isn't pointed in the direction of the turn, but is actually pointed, slightly, away from that direction?
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Keith Code says that we need to "ride with understanding"
Here is Keith Code video saying this...
The art of cornering
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6jH9kXFhDM#t=1m46s
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Let me get this right, the OP comes on the HD Forum inquiring about counter-steering so he can better understand, yet he has disagreed with just about every single member here because he believes Youtube on the internet has better info....
I'm starting to think the OP might even be too stupid to even be a guest on the Jerry Springer show....
I'm starting to think the OP might even be too stupid to even be a guest on the Jerry Springer show....
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Let me get this right, the OP comes on the HD Forum inquiring about counter-steering so he can better understand, yet he has disagreed with just about every single member here because he believes Youtube on the internet has better info....
I'm starting to think the OP might even be too much stupid for even being a guest on the Jerry Springer show....
I'm starting to think the OP might even be too much stupid for even being a guest on the Jerry Springer show....
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The back pressure is caused by the wheel wanting to straighten itself out.
There are two ways to relieve that pressure...(I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong)
1. take your hands off the bar
or , and this is the important one,
2. turn the wheel the other way and into the turn so the wheel is pointing in the direction you are going. If your lean angle is right for your speed (stable lean angle) the back pressure should be gone, if not you are going to have to counter-steer some more.
I think the reason people have to counter-steer through a curve is because their speed is to high. If you are counter-steering through the curve you did not slow down enough before you entered the turn. As the video of the motorcycle racer shows, even the racers do not intend to counter-steer through the curve. They counter-steer before the turn and get into position and steer into the turn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDeSn_QJ_sI#t=13m30s
"You lift your body and shift you weight to the right, when you do that, you automatically press on your right hand which makes the bike counter-steer, which is making the bike tip over, and once you get down there and into position you stop the counter-steer."
There are two ways to relieve that pressure...(I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong)
1. take your hands off the bar
or , and this is the important one,
2. turn the wheel the other way and into the turn so the wheel is pointing in the direction you are going. If your lean angle is right for your speed (stable lean angle) the back pressure should be gone, if not you are going to have to counter-steer some more.
I think the reason people have to counter-steer through a curve is because their speed is to high. If you are counter-steering through the curve you did not slow down enough before you entered the turn. As the video of the motorcycle racer shows, even the racers do not intend to counter-steer through the curve. They counter-steer before the turn and get into position and steer into the turn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDeSn_QJ_sI#t=13m30s
"You lift your body and shift you weight to the right, when you do that, you automatically press on your right hand which makes the bike counter-steer, which is making the bike tip over, and once you get down there and into position you stop the counter-steer."