already dropped it
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From: Tulsa
Sounds like the Annie Green Springs talking.
The first step in diagnosing a riding problem, is diagnosis, which starts with establishing a starting point. Hence I asked what her level of training was, so that I would know how to help her.
Crashing is not part of learning how to ride a motorcycle.
The first step in diagnosing a riding problem, is diagnosis, which starts with establishing a starting point. Hence I asked what her level of training was, so that I would know how to help her.
Crashing is not part of learning how to ride a motorcycle.
Cruiser
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From: MA
This guy is an *******, I mentioned that in another post. Maybe bi-polar as well as he seems to cuddle up to some and lash out at others for no apparent reason either way. He did admit he knew he was an ******* so there's that..
He apologized later in the thread wherein I called him out, as he's done again in THIS thread. I think it may be helpful for him to stay off the computer (or at least this forum) if he's had a bad day at work or whatever.
As far as his religious references, Jesus Christ had some pretty bad days and I don't recall him taking it out on the crowd at Golgotha.
He apologized later in the thread wherein I called him out, as he's done again in THIS thread. I think it may be helpful for him to stay off the computer (or at least this forum) if he's had a bad day at work or whatever.
As far as his religious references, Jesus Christ had some pretty bad days and I don't recall him taking it out on the crowd at Golgotha.
Last edited by Trench; Sep 2, 2018 at 06:42 PM.
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From: Pennsyleffinvania
Not everyone should ride a motorcycle. Some people recognize their limits, some are left with a lifetime reminder, and some never wake up.
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4th Gear
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From: Clover SC
Well I guess it probably was more than just a little drop. Just glad nobody got hurt and the car behind us, didn't hit us!
Just bought 17 Sportster. Hopefully will get it back soon.
Just bought 17 Sportster. Hopefully will get it back soon.
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Many of us learned to ride, and became "a good motorcycle rider", long before there was any such thing as "competent formal rider training". There are steps that make the process easier, and more effective, but they aren't "formal rider training".
I learned to write computer programs in college with "formal training" but I didn't become a good programmer/analyst until getting some actual experience. I just don't want any beginners to attach too much significance, ability, to "competent formal rider training".
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There are steps that make the process easier, and more effective, but they aren't "formal rider training".
I learned to write computer programs in college with "formal training" but I didn't become a good programmer/analyst until getting some actual experience.
I just don't want any beginners to attach too much significance, ability, to "competent formal rider training".
Last edited by XRX; Sep 11, 2018 at 01:51 PM.
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From: Belle River Ontario
Saw this quote on another tread and thought it was fitting for this post....
Whenever I hear someone explain how "they had to lay it down (drop their motorcycle) to avoid a crash," I want to smack their empty skull and listen to it ring like a Chinese gong.
I don't know where someone would ever get the silly idea that intentionally "laying down" an upright motorcycle is some kind of defensive manoeuvrer. Yet, there are some "riders" who persist in thinking it is!
The coefficient of friction of a rubber tire against the road surface is off the charts when compared with steel, or chrome, or plastic against the road. End of story. And, No: You can't ride your downed motorcycle to safety like some magic carpet.
What about swerving?
The MSF Basic Rider Course practical exam covers swerving. You ride directly toward the instructor. At the last moment, the instructor points to one side or the other. If you swerve in that direction, you get ten points. If you swerve in the WRONG direction, you still get eight points. If you fail to swerve, you fail the course. The MSF does not teach you how to "lay it down." The "swerve-ability" of an downed motorcycle is zilch!
How about braking?
Even if you are unavoidably about to collide with an object -- a bridge abutment, oncoming car, tree, etc. -- doesn't it make more sense keep on the brakes, slowing your forward speed, until the very end?
Let's put this "laying it down" crap to rest. It ain't "old school" and it never was. It ranks right up there with: "I ride better after a few drinks", "helmets are for sissys" and "I only use my rear brake". Ugh!
I don't know where someone would ever get the silly idea that intentionally "laying down" an upright motorcycle is some kind of defensive manoeuvrer. Yet, there are some "riders" who persist in thinking it is!
The coefficient of friction of a rubber tire against the road surface is off the charts when compared with steel, or chrome, or plastic against the road. End of story. And, No: You can't ride your downed motorcycle to safety like some magic carpet.
What about swerving?
The MSF Basic Rider Course practical exam covers swerving. You ride directly toward the instructor. At the last moment, the instructor points to one side or the other. If you swerve in that direction, you get ten points. If you swerve in the WRONG direction, you still get eight points. If you fail to swerve, you fail the course. The MSF does not teach you how to "lay it down." The "swerve-ability" of an downed motorcycle is zilch!
How about braking?
Even if you are unavoidably about to collide with an object -- a bridge abutment, oncoming car, tree, etc. -- doesn't it make more sense keep on the brakes, slowing your forward speed, until the very end?
Let's put this "laying it down" crap to rest. It ain't "old school" and it never was. It ranks right up there with: "I ride better after a few drinks", "helmets are for sissys" and "I only use my rear brake". Ugh!
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From: On my motorcycle
Heck, I'm gonna quote it here myself:
Whenever I hear someone explain how "they had to lay it down (drop their motorcycle) to avoid a crash," I want to smack their empty skull and listen to it ring like a Chinese gong.
I don't know where someone would ever get the silly idea that intentionally "laying down" an upright motorcycle is some kind of defensive manoeuvrer. Yet, there are some "riders" who persist in thinking it is!
The coefficient of friction of a rubber tire against the road surface is off the charts when compared with steel, or chrome, or plastic against the road. End of story. And, No: You can't ride your downed motorcycle to safety like some magic carpet.
What about swerving?
The MSF Basic Rider Course practical exam covers swerving. You ride directly toward the instructor. At the last moment, the instructor points to one side or the other. If you swerve in that direction, you get ten points. If you swerve in the WRONG direction, you still get eight points. If you fail to swerve, you fail the course. The MSF does not teach you how to "lay it down." The "swerve-ability" of an downed motorcycle is zilch!
How about braking?
Even if you are unavoidably about to collide with an object -- a bridge abutment, oncoming car, tree, etc. -- doesn't it make more sense keep on the brakes, slowing your forward speed, until the very end?
Let's put this "laying it down" crap to rest. It ain't "old school" and it never was. It ranks right up there with: "I ride better after a few drinks", "helmets are for sissys" and "I only use my rear brake". Ugh!
I don't know where someone would ever get the silly idea that intentionally "laying down" an upright motorcycle is some kind of defensive manoeuvrer. Yet, there are some "riders" who persist in thinking it is!
The coefficient of friction of a rubber tire against the road surface is off the charts when compared with steel, or chrome, or plastic against the road. End of story. And, No: You can't ride your downed motorcycle to safety like some magic carpet.
What about swerving?
The MSF Basic Rider Course practical exam covers swerving. You ride directly toward the instructor. At the last moment, the instructor points to one side or the other. If you swerve in that direction, you get ten points. If you swerve in the WRONG direction, you still get eight points. If you fail to swerve, you fail the course. The MSF does not teach you how to "lay it down." The "swerve-ability" of an downed motorcycle is zilch!
How about braking?
Even if you are unavoidably about to collide with an object -- a bridge abutment, oncoming car, tree, etc. -- doesn't it make more sense keep on the brakes, slowing your forward speed, until the very end?
Let's put this "laying it down" crap to rest. It ain't "old school" and it never was. It ranks right up there with: "I ride better after a few drinks", "helmets are for sissys" and "I only use my rear brake". Ugh!
Last edited by XRX; Sep 11, 2018 at 02:01 PM.