Reflex Defensive Rider Systems
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From: NE Florida
I wonder how long HD has been testing this system. It seems quite complex and not sure I'd have it without a lifetime warranty on the system. I agree this will be huge for amputee riders. Somehow I wouldn't worry so much about a system like this on my bike if it were on a Honda Goldwing or BMW touring bike. Harley, little confidence. They can't even install wheel bearings or compensators that last two years.
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From: Oklahoma
I dont think you have to do the RDRS to get TPMS...
This feature is standard on MY20 CVO and Police models and optional on all MY20 Touring models in the U.S. (except FLHT).
I think thats a $195.95 parts up grade, plus Labor/Programming to enable it on MY20 Touring Models.
This feature is standard on MY20 CVO and Police models and optional on all MY20 Touring models in the U.S. (except FLHT).
I think thats a $195.95 parts up grade, plus Labor/Programming to enable it on MY20 Touring Models.
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From: St. Charles, MO
Ya know what? Why don't they just make a bike that rides itself for you, then you can stay home & be safe while your bike is out riding itself.
I can see what's gonna happen...coupla years no one will be able to get out of a panic situation because the bike will do everything for you including wipe your dupa after you drop a healthy one. Just part of the plan to make people helpless & dependant. Stupid millenial toolbags can't even drive a stick friggin' shift anymore.
Technology? You can have it. Just thankful for a bike that doesn't leak like a shovel anymore; don't need nuttin' else.
I can see what's gonna happen...coupla years no one will be able to get out of a panic situation because the bike will do everything for you including wipe your dupa after you drop a healthy one. Just part of the plan to make people helpless & dependant. Stupid millenial toolbags can't even drive a stick friggin' shift anymore.
Technology? You can have it. Just thankful for a bike that doesn't leak like a shovel anymore; don't need nuttin' else.
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My 2019 Trike came with RDRS or something close to it. It's all good; however, nothing replaces your skill set and practice with regard to stopping, cornering, or accident avoidance maneuvers. As stated previously all the technology in the world may not save you if you do not know how to use it and practice with it.
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From: se michigan
Learned my lesson with the ABS fail hard lever/pedal on my 10 FLHX, I'll never trust Harley again to do the right thing when they begin to fail. Still have the CD I got that says brakes revert to standard braking if the ABS system failed at purchase. Wonder how many died when the systems failed without a warning lite notification and they tried to use their brakes. Luckily I experienced this issue at a time I really didn't need both brakes.
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I think it's fairly new tech, as in 2017 BMW did not have cornering abs, and that's why I bought a 2018 that did. At least on the r1200gs.
And I thought only ktm had it a year earlier.
For what its worth the system has never kicked in and never been intrusive. Only trigged the abs practicing fast stops.
Now if they can just come out with electronic suspension, I won't have to mess setting sag for the 2 up rides anymore!
And I thought only ktm had it a year earlier.
For what its worth the system has never kicked in and never been intrusive. Only trigged the abs practicing fast stops.
Now if they can just come out with electronic suspension, I won't have to mess setting sag for the 2 up rides anymore!
Harley could distinguish itself if it became the first adapter of a new technology. and came out with novel and original features others are not. But it has historically been extremely conservative when introducing tech features as it has always been fearful of alienating its core base. It only reacts when risk of losing sales or market share come into play. It has never been a forward-thinking company until now, and it is reacting now mainly because it has no choice.
Tech is what sells to the younger generation. Ten years from now, motorcycles are probably going to be considered obsolete and retro by millenails if they don't come with a Netflix subscription and video on demand. Just the way it is. Harley needs to be forward thinking now and not reactive. If HD is serious about capturing this segment, they need to add features and tech stuff others are not--now. Don't always play catch-up in the tech area. Be the leader in innovation for once.
They don't have to put the tech into everything. You can still have a product line that appeals to the classic base and the tech crowd. The fact that you are offering it is what matters.
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From: St. Charles, MO
My opinion - and this will certainly be controversial - is that to get the millennials, Harley should design an 800cc standard, something innovative like a hybrid engine, and AN AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION. Make it as inexpensive as possible ($6,000?). Find a way to get 70 mpg.
Even though the old timers, even including myself, will all agree this would be a sacrilege, I think it would sell like hotcakes on a Sunday morning.
Even though the old timers, even including myself, will all agree this would be a sacrilege, I think it would sell like hotcakes on a Sunday morning.
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My opinion - and this will certainly be controversial - is that to get the millennials, Harley should design an 800cc standard, something innovative like a hybrid engine, and AN AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION. Make it as inexpensive as possible ($6,000?). Find a way to get 70 mpg.
Even though the old timers, even including myself, will all agree this would be a sacrilege, I think it would sell like hotcakes on a Sunday morning.
Even though the old timers, even including myself, will all agree this would be a sacrilege, I think it would sell like hotcakes on a Sunday morning.
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From: Northeast, NJ
Totally get for the purists, they are looking at this tech going WTF. From a business perspective though, this is a very good move for HD to now offer this tech. If the goal for HD Corp is to get new riders, or riders from different makes, this is one of the ways they are going to do that. At least half (probably more) of the 1000cc or greater bikes from Japan or Europe already offer this type of tech, and like ABS, it's not a bad thing to have. To be competitive to the non purist MC rider (which I assume is the vast majority of motorcycle riders out there), they have to offer this tech. How HD actually implements this tech and how user friendly it is, is yet to be seen, but on the surface of it, this is the right move for HD.
Personally, I'm anxiously awaiting some flavor of Electronic Suspension Adjustment, that is available on a growing number of bikes. How a premium brand such as HD isn't at least offering this tech puzzles me. But, good move on moving from the past into the "now" with the RDRS.
Personally, I'm anxiously awaiting some flavor of Electronic Suspension Adjustment, that is available on a growing number of bikes. How a premium brand such as HD isn't at least offering this tech puzzles me. But, good move on moving from the past into the "now" with the RDRS.