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Old Jan 30, 2024 | 07:23 AM
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Nice looking bike but I'm not a fan of the fake marble kitchen counter top finish on the muffler caps, tank top etc. I would end up painting those pieces just like I would a body panel on a car (and its okay to paint new CVO's now) .

Visible carbon fiber suits certain applications but a Harley touring bike wouldn't normally come to mind and its not like they chose heavy parts to help reduce weight or the improve handling.
 
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Nice looking bike but I'm not a fan of the fake marble kitchen counter top finish on the muffler caps, tank top etc. I would end up painting those pieces just like I would a body panel on a car (and its okay to paint new CVO's now) .

Visible carbon fiber suits certain applications but a Harley touring bike wouldn't normally come to mind and its not like they chose heavy parts to help reduce weight or the improve handling.
Forged carbon fiber, which is pressed short strand material usually injected into a mold, is very good for mass production as you can get a lot of the benefits of traditional woven carbon fiber built up in sheets but in a much easier to produce form. Some larger pieces take around eight to ten minutes per press activation to complete. Now it does result in all pieces not being identical but its a good fit for trim pieces. Some exotic car companies are using this method for even structural parts of their cars.

As for weight savings, Harley is literally bragging about the difference a rider can make by shorting the tank a few gallons of gasoline or better yet losing weight themselves. They really boxed themselves in by not replacing the frame. If they wanted to peel off more weight they would sell carbon fiber wheels along with other options. The ST is listed as having the same running weight as the base Road Glide but it is twenty four pounds lighter than the CVO Road Glide
 

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Originally Posted by ChrisHo
Forged carbon fiber, which is pressed short strand material usually injected into a mold, is very good for mass production as you can get a lot of the benefits of traditional woven carbon fiber built up in sheets but in a much easier to produce form. Some larger pieces take around eight to ten minutes per press activation to complete. Now it does result in all pieces not being identical but its a good fit for trim pieces. Some exotic car companies are using this method for even structural parts of their cars.

As for weight savings, Harley is literally bragging about the difference a rider can make by shorting the tank a few gallons of gasoline or better yet losing weight themselves. They really boxed themselves in by not replacing the frame. If they wanted to peel off more weight they would sell carbon fiber wheels along with other options. The ST is listed as having the same running weight as the base Road Glide but it is twenty four pounds lighter than the CVO Road Glide

where is this found, shorting the tank by a few gallons?
 
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Old Jan 30, 2024 | 09:34 AM
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Now that would be stupid design. Maybe for this model they have additional bracket that allow tourpavk and these shock reservoirs to be mounted at same time. I believe this was already possible on pre 2024 touring models but I could be wrong on this one.
the st is built to be a solo performance bagger. not a tourer. but, they (hd) have said that they are working on a relocation bracket for the shock reservoirs so that one can mount a tourpack or sissy bar in the future.

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As for weight savings, Harley is literally bragging about the difference a rider can make by shorting the tank a few gallons of gasoline or better yet losing weight themselves.
the fuel tank is still 6.0 gallons.




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I guess I'm just an old graybeard. I know, I'm not who these are marketed for.

But if I want to go play in the twisties and jet down the straight aways I'm not going to do it on a bagger.
Spending thousands for another 30 horse or to make a it 20 lbs lighter just ain't for me.

I sold my VMAX a couple years ago because I've come to value my drivers license and my life.

 
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Originally Posted by ChrisHo
Forged carbon fiber, which is pressed short strand material usually injected into a mold, is very good for mass production as you can get a lot of the benefits of traditional woven carbon fiber built up in sheets but in a much easier to produce form. Some larger pieces take around eight to ten minutes per press activation to complete. Now it does result in all pieces not being identical but its a good fit for trim pieces. Some exotic car companies are using this method for even structural parts of their cars.

As for weight savings, Harley is literally bragging about the difference a rider can make by shorting the tank a few gallons of gasoline or better yet losing weight themselves. They really boxed themselves in by not replacing the frame. If they wanted to peel off more weight they would sell carbon fiber wheels along with other options. The ST is listed as having the same running weight as the base Road Glide but it is twenty four pounds lighter than the CVO Road Glide
Im very familiar with that (cheaper) process and to use it as structural is fine but cosmetic it isn't for me, especially on a Harley touring bike right in front of your face. Traditional carbon weave looks good as does kevlar in certain applications. No place on a Harley unless they came out with the VR1000 again.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2024 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Evo-Wes
When did HD start making this "rear tripover (sic) protection" and "front tripover (sic) protection" setup? My Gawd! How ugly!
Is this the type of styling we expect on a high dollar Harley-Davidson?
Is this the destination that the MoCo is headed. Err.........(correction) has arrived.

[sarcasm] Makes me excited!!! [/sarcasm]


It must be advanced technology and engineering.
[sarcasm] So beautiful!!! [/sarcasm]
For what it's worth, Harley does sell 'normal' saddlebag guards for the Street/Road Glides and CVO's that have the new style bags. They come in chrome or black. https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/e...rds/p/90202507



 
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Originally Posted by 6113_
where is this found, shorting the tank by a few gallons?
Originally Posted by skratch
the st is built to be a solo performance bagger. not a tourer. but, they (hd) have said that they are working on a relocation bracket for the shock reservoirs so that one can mount a tourpack or sissy bar in the future.
the fuel tank is still 6.0 gallons.
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My statement was misunderstood. I was saying the weight savings Harley is crowing about are no more than what a rider could get by not filling the tank all the way, in other words they are mostly meaningless claims. Hell many riders could lose more weight in a few months of dieting than Harley took off the bike. The ST weighs less than the CVO but it still weighs as much as that base RG model it is based on. Now it is fifteen pounds lighter than the 2023 Road Glide Special. So less than three gallons of gasoline difference.
 
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I didn't misunderstand anything. Literally.


Originally Posted by ChrisHo
Forged carbon fiber, which is pressed short strand material usually injected into a mold, is very good for mass production as you can get a lot of the benefits of traditional woven carbon fiber built up in sheets but in a much easier to produce form. Some larger pieces take around eight to ten minutes per press activation to complete. Now it does result in all pieces not being identical but its a good fit for trim pieces. Some exotic car companies are using this method for even structural parts of their cars.

As for weight savings, Harley is literally bragging about the difference a rider can make by shorting the tank a few gallons of gasoline or better yet losing weight themselves. They really boxed themselves in by not replacing the frame. If they wanted to peel off more weight they would sell carbon fiber wheels along with other options. The ST is listed as having the same running weight as the base Road Glide but it is twenty four pounds lighter than the CVO Road Glide
Originally Posted by ChrisHo
My statement was misunderstood. I was saying the weight savings Harley is crowing about are no more than what a rider could get by not filling the tank all the way, in other words they are mostly meaningless claims. Hell many riders could lose more weight in a few months of dieting than Harley took off the bike. The ST weighs less than the CVO but it still weighs as much as that base RG model it is based on. Now it is fifteen pounds lighter than the 2023 Road Glide Special. So less than three gallons of gasoline difference.
 
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