Am i misunderstanding?
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Wow! All this information is just awesome!! I am blown away! All the EFI stuff...ect. I have learned a lot.
I think my situation might be a little different than some. My dealer doesn't have a Dyno machine. When I went in to find out about getting the SE stage 1 kit and a new exhaust I didn't get much info. I was told to pick out the exhaust I wanted. At the time a V&H Big shots long. They would remap my puter, or put in a different chip...i can't remember right now install the pipes and roughly $1500 smackers later I would be happy!
This is kind of why i asked the earlier question about how much this should all cost? As it seems to me that the kit sells for $200.00 the pipes at $850.00 and not a lot of labour but let’s say it is at most $200.00 that makes $1250.00. Where is the rest going? Not that money is the issue...though i am not so rich I can throw it away....just that something doesn't add up?
When i asked about it i was told that that is what everything costs.
This makes me think i am misunderstanding something? So, I am assuming that the rest of the money is going to either something called a "HD Download that sucks" compared to a SERT/PIII?
Is there any point in getting the SERT/ PIII if the dealer does not have a dyno?
There is another bike shop in the city that has a Dyno....will it affect the warranty if another shop sets it up?
I think my situation might be a little different than some. My dealer doesn't have a Dyno machine. When I went in to find out about getting the SE stage 1 kit and a new exhaust I didn't get much info. I was told to pick out the exhaust I wanted. At the time a V&H Big shots long. They would remap my puter, or put in a different chip...i can't remember right now install the pipes and roughly $1500 smackers later I would be happy!
This is kind of why i asked the earlier question about how much this should all cost? As it seems to me that the kit sells for $200.00 the pipes at $850.00 and not a lot of labour but let’s say it is at most $200.00 that makes $1250.00. Where is the rest going? Not that money is the issue...though i am not so rich I can throw it away....just that something doesn't add up?
When i asked about it i was told that that is what everything costs.
This makes me think i am misunderstanding something? So, I am assuming that the rest of the money is going to either something called a "HD Download that sucks" compared to a SERT/PIII?
Is there any point in getting the SERT/ PIII if the dealer does not have a dyno?
There is another bike shop in the city that has a Dyno....will it affect the warranty if another shop sets it up?
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If they don't have a dyno, you get a canned map which may be close for your mods, but not a custom map for sure tuned to your bike which would be the way to go..
I would ask them for a breakdown on the charges in an estimate form or at least written down so you could verify their charges,and compare it to another dealer for verification. It sounds a bit high for what you mention, but you don't mention their labor charges either.
You shouldn't assume what they are doing either, take the time to find out for sure and If they will not tell you exactly what's being done and the costs, go elsewhere.
Installing the PCIII or similar in another dealer or indy would not void your warrantee unless it caused engine damage in some way, then you would have a problem just with the damage caused, not the entire warrantee.
Look here for more input...
https://www.hdforums.com/m_85511/tm.htm
https://www.hdforums.com/m_76699/tm.htm
I would ask them for a breakdown on the charges in an estimate form or at least written down so you could verify their charges,and compare it to another dealer for verification. It sounds a bit high for what you mention, but you don't mention their labor charges either.
You shouldn't assume what they are doing either, take the time to find out for sure and If they will not tell you exactly what's being done and the costs, go elsewhere.
Installing the PCIII or similar in another dealer or indy would not void your warrantee unless it caused engine damage in some way, then you would have a problem just with the damage caused, not the entire warrantee.
Look here for more input...
https://www.hdforums.com/m_85511/tm.htm
https://www.hdforums.com/m_76699/tm.htm
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Dude ,
If you are just doing the Stage 1 upgrade with pipes and air cleaner,then don't spend 450 dollars for something you don't need.
If you plan on doing future mods to the motor such as larger bore, cams,stroke,etc,etc.. then definetily go with the race tuner.
I have the stage 1 upgrade ,A/C SEII balonys and the 149.00 down load.Personaly I think the down load sucks,because the bike is still running to lean,way to lean..........the A/C and the slipons definitly make a adifferance.
I am only doing the Stage 1 mod to my motor and there is no way I will spend 450.00 dollars for something I do not need--the race tuner is a great product ,but overkill for me. My lean condition on my 06 FXD35 has been solved with the addition of the Techlusion EFI controller...........A very good product,,,inexpensive , effecient ,,simple and easy to use.
Just another to option to explore.
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FXD35 336/3500
If you are just doing the Stage 1 upgrade with pipes and air cleaner,then don't spend 450 dollars for something you don't need.
If you plan on doing future mods to the motor such as larger bore, cams,stroke,etc,etc.. then definetily go with the race tuner.
I have the stage 1 upgrade ,A/C SEII balonys and the 149.00 down load.Personaly I think the down load sucks,because the bike is still running to lean,way to lean..........the A/C and the slipons definitly make a adifferance.
I am only doing the Stage 1 mod to my motor and there is no way I will spend 450.00 dollars for something I do not need--the race tuner is a great product ,but overkill for me. My lean condition on my 06 FXD35 has been solved with the addition of the Techlusion EFI controller...........A very good product,,,inexpensive , effecient ,,simple and easy to use.
Just another to option to explore.
Fireball
FXD35 336/3500
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The Price is in Canadian. THe Labor Rate is $50.00 Per hour. The Dealer is closed Tomorrow but reopens on the 3rd. I will get the new info for sure. So if I understand this right I do not need the SERT or the PIII if I am not going to do any other mods?
I want to improve the horse power and the sound. From what I understand the SE Stage 1 Kit with the SE slip on should give me better sound and more horses....but if it is gonna rin like crap whatz the point.
Also I noticed the Vance and Hines has a thing called fuelpak does anyone know if that is any good with the SE Stage 1 Kit and their pipes because I really like the look and sound of the V&H Big Shots Long?
I want to improve the horse power and the sound. From what I understand the SE Stage 1 Kit with the SE slip on should give me better sound and more horses....but if it is gonna rin like crap whatz the point.
Also I noticed the Vance and Hines has a thing called fuelpak does anyone know if that is any good with the SE Stage 1 Kit and their pipes because I really like the look and sound of the V&H Big Shots Long?
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Maybe I am the odd man out, but I have the Stage 1 A/C, reflash and SEII slip ons, and my machine runs absolutely great. It is neither too rich nor too lean. For me, the SEII's are a bit too loud, but that seems to be what everybody else wants, so you will probably like them a lot.
If you are going to use a dynamometer to tune your machine, then the SERT or the PC make sense, but I bet you will be pleased with the factory Stage 1 mods.
If you are going to use a dynamometer to tune your machine, then the SERT or the PC make sense, but I bet you will be pleased with the factory Stage 1 mods.
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I think I can add a bit more here. If you are doing a stage one on an EFI bike, there is no way to tweak that on a dyno.
The fuel pac is one choice but from what I have heard about it that the tech support for it if you need it is pretty poor. I suggest for your intentions that the TFI would be a good bet instead of the download as the only thing you get from the download is a 6200 rpm rev limit, which in your case will not help at all being your engine doesn't have the cam or heads to benefit from it.
The TFI can be removed without a trace for warrantee work if needed. You would just have to go back to the stock intake then to take it into the dealer.
Take a look in this forum for info on all fuel injection applications including the TFI.
https://www.hdforums.com/forumid_247/tt.htm
The fuel pac is one choice but from what I have heard about it that the tech support for it if you need it is pretty poor. I suggest for your intentions that the TFI would be a good bet instead of the download as the only thing you get from the download is a 6200 rpm rev limit, which in your case will not help at all being your engine doesn't have the cam or heads to benefit from it.
The TFI can be removed without a trace for warrantee work if needed. You would just have to go back to the stock intake then to take it into the dealer.
Take a look in this forum for info on all fuel injection applications including the TFI.
https://www.hdforums.com/forumid_247/tt.htm
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I think I can add a bit more here. If you are doing a stage one on an EFI bike, there is no way to tweak that on a dyno.
The fuel pac is one choice but from what I have heard about it that the tech support for it if you need it is pretty poor. I suggest for your intentions that the TFI would be a good bet instead of the download as the only thing you get from the download is a 6200 rpm rev limit, which in your case will not help at all being your engine doesn't have the cam or heads to benefit from it.
The TFI can be removed without a trace for warrantee work if needed. You would just have to go back to the stock intake then to take it into the dealer.
Take a look in this forum for info on all fuel injection applications including the TFI.
https://www.hdforums.com/forumid_247/tt.htm
I think I can add a bit more here. If you are doing a stage one on an EFI bike, there is no way to tweak that on a dyno.
The fuel pac is one choice but from what I have heard about it that the tech support for it if you need it is pretty poor. I suggest for your intentions that the TFI would be a good bet instead of the download as the only thing you get from the download is a 6200 rpm rev limit, which in your case will not help at all being your engine doesn't have the cam or heads to benefit from it.
The TFI can be removed without a trace for warrantee work if needed. You would just have to go back to the stock intake then to take it into the dealer.
Take a look in this forum for info on all fuel injection applications including the TFI.
https://www.hdforums.com/forumid_247/tt.htm
I think if you are going to go with major motor changes later you should think about the SERT or something like it.
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