Power Vision Information Thread
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From: Ashby, Ma
Wow this is the monster thread of the century.
I'm not suggesting to kill this thread but it might be helpful if we created some sub-set threads for some of the major categories of subjects.
Things like.
* PV installations and pre-purchase questions. - Some of the high level what is a PV and what isn't a PV.
* PV Auto Tune Basic - all things Autotune basic
* PV Autotune Pro - pro tuning etc.
Is there a way to add sub-set folders to a Sticky Folder. I'll bet so many of the questions get asked so many times, simply because the detail is hidden so deep in this thread. ...and as interesting as Search can be, it just isn't perfect.
I'm not suggesting to kill this thread but it might be helpful if we created some sub-set threads for some of the major categories of subjects.
Things like.
* PV installations and pre-purchase questions. - Some of the high level what is a PV and what isn't a PV.
* PV Auto Tune Basic - all things Autotune basic
* PV Autotune Pro - pro tuning etc.
Is there a way to add sub-set folders to a Sticky Folder. I'll bet so many of the questions get asked so many times, simply because the detail is hidden so deep in this thread. ...and as interesting as Search can be, it just isn't perfect.
Road Captain
Joined: Apr 2009
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From: Chile Flats, AZ
Yes!!!
MODS - Yes, timely suggestion realizing this could be a very time-consuming and tricky task. I agree with the general categories suggested by OH.
And there may be another one or two of particular interest that have had a lot of play as well.... I can name a half dozen if needed.
* Quick Tune-
* Addressing Spark tables-
* Decel Popping-
* Scale or Cap-
OK, even if none of those types of sub-topics were selected, OH has suggested a very appropriate separation of topics.
Just my 2 cents....
And there may be another one or two of particular interest that have had a lot of play as well.... I can name a half dozen if needed.
* Quick Tune-
* Addressing Spark tables-
* Decel Popping-
* Scale or Cap-
OK, even if none of those types of sub-topics were selected, OH has suggested a very appropriate separation of topics.
Just my 2 cents....
Wow this is the monster thread of the century.
I'm not suggesting to kill this thread but it might be helpful if we created some sub-set threads for some of the major categories of subjects.
Things like.
* PV installations and pre-purchase questions. - Some of the high level what is a PV and what isn't a PV.
* PV Auto Tune Basic - all things Autotune basic
* PV Autotune Pro - pro tuning etc.
Is there a way to add sub-set folders to a Sticky Folder. I'll bet so many of the questions get asked so many times, simply because the detail is hidden so deep in this thread. ...and as interesting as Search can be, it just isn't perfect.
I'm not suggesting to kill this thread but it might be helpful if we created some sub-set threads for some of the major categories of subjects.
Things like.
* PV installations and pre-purchase questions. - Some of the high level what is a PV and what isn't a PV.
* PV Auto Tune Basic - all things Autotune basic
* PV Autotune Pro - pro tuning etc.
Is there a way to add sub-set folders to a Sticky Folder. I'll bet so many of the questions get asked so many times, simply because the detail is hidden so deep in this thread. ...and as interesting as Search can be, it just isn't perfect.
Road Master
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 871
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From: Manchester, NH
I brought this very issue of stickies and sub-directories up last September with the introduction of the autotune feature. The moderator of this thread gave an honest and thoroughly legitimate reasons why it is not possible. His response follows:
Originally Posted by Delta 
Here was my reasoning for perhaps a separate sticky: The main thread would open up to subdirectories like a tree.
<SNIP>
Again, just a few thoughts from an older, not totally computer illiterate user. If anyone would care to add please do. Honestly, while the autotune is still in its infancy now is the time to do this. Let's face it, the instructions we beta users have been using is 3 or 4 pages. A new sticky would be a glorified Cliff Notes.
Would like to see some input from all users.
To All:
This sounds like a wonderful idea but in reality impossible in the confines. You cannot add sub forums to a sticky.
Adding more sticky's would create a real mess as with each additional post would cause them to become out of order and have other product sticky's such as the TTS or the SEPRO sticky in the middle of the PV multiple sticky's. Hope this makes sense.
The proper way to do this would be to create an additional tuning sub forum for the PV, moving the PV sticky and adding multiple child forums to the new sub forum.
Unfortunately I am but a Moderator. The Administrator and above Managers would need to be consulted and IT asked to make the adjustments.
Here's the fall out... If it is done for the PV then it be necessary to do it for all the tuning products. I can say this would pose your greatest obstacle.
I will seek the Administrators advice.
If you look at the TTS sticky you will see that I simply edit the first post for all to start with post XYZ for current information. That may be your easiest option.
-wiz
Here was my reasoning for perhaps a separate sticky: The main thread would open up to subdirectories like a tree.
<SNIP>
Again, just a few thoughts from an older, not totally computer illiterate user. If anyone would care to add please do. Honestly, while the autotune is still in its infancy now is the time to do this. Let's face it, the instructions we beta users have been using is 3 or 4 pages. A new sticky would be a glorified Cliff Notes.
Would like to see some input from all users.
To All:
This sounds like a wonderful idea but in reality impossible in the confines. You cannot add sub forums to a sticky.
Adding more sticky's would create a real mess as with each additional post would cause them to become out of order and have other product sticky's such as the TTS or the SEPRO sticky in the middle of the PV multiple sticky's. Hope this makes sense.
The proper way to do this would be to create an additional tuning sub forum for the PV, moving the PV sticky and adding multiple child forums to the new sub forum.
Unfortunately I am but a Moderator. The Administrator and above Managers would need to be consulted and IT asked to make the adjustments.
Here's the fall out... If it is done for the PV then it be necessary to do it for all the tuning products. I can say this would pose your greatest obstacle.
I will seek the Administrators advice.
If you look at the TTS sticky you will see that I simply edit the first post for all to start with post XYZ for current information. That may be your easiest option.
-wiz
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From: Ashby, Ma
Oh well.
I hope someone with some knowledge can answer some of my questions in my other post about my various options on tuning my bike.
Road Master
Joined: Jun 2006
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From: Manchester, NH
Pay attention to the Wiz. Though he is a master with the TTS, the PV is similar in the approach to tuning. Wurk Turk, Stailjim61; to name a few members off the top of my head also have a wealth of knowledge. Search for posts from JustDennis and iClick for more insight.
Give the Option 1 a chance before moving on to your second choice.
Me, I know just enough to be dangerous.
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From: Ashby, Ma
I would go with your Option 1. The Fuel Moto map will not be perfect for your bike. I use them as a starter map to use for autotuning. While his maps are generally thought to be good, every engine with the same/similar components will run differently. When you autotune be deliberate with your throttle control as you populate the various cells. Get the VEs dialed in first, as others have written about. Keep notes when you change anything and what the results were. Eventually you'll get it dialed in. Remember without the VEs being accurate your tune will be garbage.
Pay attention to the Wiz. Though he is a master with the TTS, the PV is similar in the approach to tuning. Wurk Turk, Stailjim61; to name a few members off the top of my head also have a wealth of knowledge. Search for posts from JustDennis and iClick for more insight.
Give the Option 1 a chance before moving on to your second choice.
Me, I know just enough to be dangerous.
Pay attention to the Wiz. Though he is a master with the TTS, the PV is similar in the approach to tuning. Wurk Turk, Stailjim61; to name a few members off the top of my head also have a wealth of knowledge. Search for posts from JustDennis and iClick for more insight.
Give the Option 1 a chance before moving on to your second choice.
Me, I know just enough to be dangerous.
On the other hand, it's still going to 14.7 AFR, where my previous PCIII most likely drove the AFR down considerably.
But I'll start there. The more I read about the overall closed loop system, the more I would like to avoid going open loop.
I wonder how many PV users are running open loop? is it at all common? I doubt it, given it's pretty much just non TBW bikes that can import PCIII or PCV maps.
Road Warrior
Joined: Apr 2007
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From: Illinois
Autotune Pro vs Basic
I have had PV for a few weeks and started out with Autotune Basic. The bike was running pretty well, but I wanted to get areas filled in that were difficult on the street with the stock 18mm narrow band sensors.
I have now done a few tuning runs with Pro using the widebands. Many more areas of the VE tables are being populated than I ever could hit with basic, especially at higher throttle openings and higher loads. While I am not done with tuning yet, I believe Pro will yield better results for my engine (120R in an '07 Street Glide) than with Basic.
I have now done a few tuning runs with Pro using the widebands. Many more areas of the VE tables are being populated than I ever could hit with basic, especially at higher throttle openings and higher loads. While I am not done with tuning yet, I believe Pro will yield better results for my engine (120R in an '07 Street Glide) than with Basic.
Last edited by VDeuce; May 15, 2013 at 09:36 AM.
Road Warrior
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From: Illinois
New Firmware
Make sure you check for new firmware for PV as another update has been released recently. It doesn't show up on their website; you need to use the updater in Windows while your PV is connected...
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From: Big ol Titties
I intend to do just that. I will start the Autotune Basic this AM and see if that has a positive effect on the average cruise range oil temps I experience. More I think about it, the more it makes sense that getting the VE tables dialed in may have a positive effect.
On the other hand, it's still going to 14.7 AFR, where my previous PCIII most likely drove the AFR down considerably.
But I'll start there. The more I read about the overall closed loop system, the more I would like to avoid going open loop.
I wonder how many PV users are running open loop? is it at all common? I doubt it, given it's pretty much just non TBW bikes that can import PCIII or PCV maps.
On the other hand, it's still going to 14.7 AFR, where my previous PCIII most likely drove the AFR down considerably.
But I'll start there. The more I read about the overall closed loop system, the more I would like to avoid going open loop.
I wonder how many PV users are running open loop? is it at all common? I doubt it, given it's pretty much just non TBW bikes that can import PCIII or PCV maps.
As far as running open loop i'm not sure about TBW bikes but you do not need a PC inport, if you set AFR outside of 14.7 your ecm automatically goes to open loop. There is also a switch in winpv that turns closed loop off and on. Again i have a cable bike so i'm not sure about any tbw bikes but they should work the same.
In response to your previous question about importing you pc3 map and auto tuning your ve's it would kinda defeat the point of loading the pc3 map to begin with. I imagine your bike was overly rich with the pc3 so if you were to auto tune it and correct you ve's it would probably lean it out a bit. What kind of mpg's were you getting with the pc3? Did you ever look at the plugs while you were running the pc3? The only other thing i can think of as far as you getting higher temps would be if there are any major changes in the spark tables as this can effect temps.
