Power Vision Information Thread
Road Warrior
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,649
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From: Indianapolis
If you set EITMS to zero under Limits and switches it will not activate at any temperature.
The WinPV Software guide has quite a bit of helpful information-
Download it from the link above. The default user level is now the same as the PRO level referenced in the software guide.
EITMS
This tells the ECM if the vehicle has a Engine Idle Temperature
Management System. A value of zero means this vehicle does
not have this feature, or shuts off the input to the ECM.
Active Compression Release
This tells the ECM if the vehicle has active compression
release. A value of zero means this vehicle does not have this
feature, or shuts off the input to the ECM.
The WinPV Software guide has quite a bit of helpful information-
Download it from the link above. The default user level is now the same as the PRO level referenced in the software guide.
EITMS
This tells the ECM if the vehicle has a Engine Idle Temperature
Management System. A value of zero means this vehicle does
not have this feature, or shuts off the input to the ECM.
Active Compression Release
This tells the ECM if the vehicle has active compression
release. A value of zero means this vehicle does not have this
feature, or shuts off the input to the ECM.
Road Master
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,031
Likes: 141
From: NJ
question regarding quick tune vs dyno tune.
I have a shop made dyno tune, but there is still some decel popping going on. Also checked the plugs and they're a bit white and crusty which means lean right? So I go into the quick time, and adaptive and closed loop are both selected, even though the dyno tune shop turned off those parameters as once you get the VE's correct it shouldnt need to change and therefore just eliminate problems. But every time i load his tune (and i checked the parameter in winpv and it IS set to closed loop off, and no adaptive) and go into quick tune those parameters are set on again.
any idea why? does it autoenable those in quick tune? I turn them off, and save it like that, but every time i go back in, they're on again.
2008 1200R with PV
I have a shop made dyno tune, but there is still some decel popping going on. Also checked the plugs and they're a bit white and crusty which means lean right? So I go into the quick time, and adaptive and closed loop are both selected, even though the dyno tune shop turned off those parameters as once you get the VE's correct it shouldnt need to change and therefore just eliminate problems. But every time i load his tune (and i checked the parameter in winpv and it IS set to closed loop off, and no adaptive) and go into quick tune those parameters are set on again.
any idea why? does it autoenable those in quick tune? I turn them off, and save it like that, but every time i go back in, they're on again.
2008 1200R with PV
Tourer
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 299
Likes: 51
From: Northwest, Arkansas
Thank you shanneba!! Your advice made all the difference. Turned on the EITMS in WinPV, attached the Power vision loaded the tune and flashed he bike. It now works as it's supposed to.
I'm going to poke around some more in the help section of the WinPV software and hopefully learn some more.
I'm going to poke around some more in the help section of the WinPV software and hopefully learn some more.
Stellar HDF Member
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,928
Likes: 117
From: Ashby, Ma
question regarding quick tune vs dyno tune.
I have a shop made dyno tune, but there is still some decel popping going on. Also checked the plugs and they're a bit white and crusty which means lean right? So I go into the quick time, and adaptive and closed loop are both selected, even though the dyno tune shop turned off those parameters as once you get the VE's correct it shouldnt need to change and therefore just eliminate problems. But every time i load his tune (and i checked the parameter in winpv and it IS set to closed loop off, and no adaptive) and go into quick tune those parameters are set on again.
any idea why? does it autoenable those in quick tune? I turn them off, and save it like that, but every time i go back in, they're on again.
2008 1200R with PV
I have a shop made dyno tune, but there is still some decel popping going on. Also checked the plugs and they're a bit white and crusty which means lean right? So I go into the quick time, and adaptive and closed loop are both selected, even though the dyno tune shop turned off those parameters as once you get the VE's correct it shouldnt need to change and therefore just eliminate problems. But every time i load his tune (and i checked the parameter in winpv and it IS set to closed loop off, and no adaptive) and go into quick tune those parameters are set on again.
any idea why? does it autoenable those in quick tune? I turn them off, and save it like that, but every time i go back in, they're on again.
2008 1200R with PV
I don't believe quick tune makes any changes other than the ones you input. I would start with the Dyno tune you've had done, and follow the instructions of adding 5% fuel in the Decel window, and also advancing spark 3-5 degrees.
Quick Tune, doesn't make other changes, but Autotune does. It sets the entire Fuel Table to 14.6 and retards timing 4' across the board. But you aren't doing that.
I can understand the tuner may turn off adaptive and closed loop when he is tuning, but that is not to say they should stay turned off in the final tune loaded. Once the tuner gets the AFR/VEs correct and also the spark tables, I would think you would want to utilize closed loop for adaptive fuel or spark retard when called for due to various changes in temp, fuel, etc. Usually only closed loop in cruise areas anyway, unless you have a wide band target tune pro kind of bike.
I'm not expert tuner but since no one is jumping in to help a bit I thought I'd throw my understanding into the ring.
I'M confused why you see one thing in WinPV but the opposite in the actual loaded tune. but I do not think Quick Tune is doing that.
here's the link to the Fuel Moto video on this subject
https://university.fuelmotousa.com/h...xing-Decel-Pop
Road Master
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,031
Likes: 141
From: NJ
YOu have maybe already seen the video in the link I've attached, but he's adding fuel and advancing spark.
I don't believe quick tune makes any changes other than the ones you input. I would start with the Dyno tune you've had done, and follow the instructions of adding 5% fuel in the Decel window, and also advancing spark 3-5 degrees.
Quick Tune, doesn't make other changes, but Autotune does. It sets the entire Fuel Table to 14.6 and retards timing 4' across the board. But you aren't doing that.
I can understand the tuner may turn off adaptive and closed loop when he is tuning, but that is not to say they should stay turned off in the final tune loaded. Once the tuner gets the AFR/VEs correct and also the spark tables, I would think you would want to utilize closed loop for adaptive fuel or spark retard when called for due to various changes in temp, fuel, etc. Usually only closed loop in cruise areas anyway, unless you have a wide band target tune pro kind of bike.
I'm not expert tuner but since no one is jumping in to help a bit I thought I'd throw my understanding into the ring.
I'M confused why you see one thing in WinPV but the opposite in the actual loaded tune. but I do not think Quick Tune is doing that.
here's the link to the Fuel Moto video on this subject
https://university.fuelmotousa.com/h...xing-Decel-Pop
I don't believe quick tune makes any changes other than the ones you input. I would start with the Dyno tune you've had done, and follow the instructions of adding 5% fuel in the Decel window, and also advancing spark 3-5 degrees.
Quick Tune, doesn't make other changes, but Autotune does. It sets the entire Fuel Table to 14.6 and retards timing 4' across the board. But you aren't doing that.
I can understand the tuner may turn off adaptive and closed loop when he is tuning, but that is not to say they should stay turned off in the final tune loaded. Once the tuner gets the AFR/VEs correct and also the spark tables, I would think you would want to utilize closed loop for adaptive fuel or spark retard when called for due to various changes in temp, fuel, etc. Usually only closed loop in cruise areas anyway, unless you have a wide band target tune pro kind of bike.
I'm not expert tuner but since no one is jumping in to help a bit I thought I'd throw my understanding into the ring.
I'M confused why you see one thing in WinPV but the opposite in the actual loaded tune. but I do not think Quick Tune is doing that.
here's the link to the Fuel Moto video on this subject
https://university.fuelmotousa.com/h...xing-Decel-Pop
I think of it more like a carbureted tune. Not really utilizing the best of both worlds that the PV allows but it does run well, apart from the decel pop.
Stellar HDF Member
Joined: Jun 2007
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From: Ashby, Ma
Basically i think the tuner I used feels that as long as you know the VE, at any specific location in the tune, you know exactly how much fuel you need to add to get to the specific ratio you want. So once youve set it, allowing the system to check and adjust, is worthless. needless to say, he isnt running 14.4:1 anywhere on that map really though, its more in the 13:1 and lower to 12:1 underload.
I think of it more like a carbureted tune. Not really utilizing the best of both worlds that the PV allows but it does run well, apart from the decel pop.
I think of it more like a carbureted tune. Not really utilizing the best of both worlds that the PV allows but it does run well, apart from the decel pop.
Road Master
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,031
Likes: 141
From: NJ
Seems to be mainly at 4k down to 3k, and its it's usually one bigger pop. But also seems to do it in the low range under 2 when bombing around town. Then it's a little gurgle type which isn't as big of a deal.
Intermediate
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From: MIami
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Road Master
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,031
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From: NJ
ran around town again, its really right around 3500rpm, i get a couple of loud coughs, thats it.
I heard from one fuel moto source that you can go all the way to 20% decel fuel add
I guess I could just do that in the map
I heard from one fuel moto source that you can go all the way to 20% decel fuel add
I guess I could just do that in the map
have you checked for exhaust leaks? I know that's mentioned as a possible cause of the incurable de-cel pop.