Power Vision Information Thread
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From: Paris & Munich
Will check it out- assuming that your thoughts are “check before smoothing or leaving as is”?
In my search I see the ECM actually compares a requested VE to those around it and will ignore a material change. But I believe that is for newer ECM versions than the 2001 I am tuning. Learn a lot comparing what is available from (and what can be done with) the ECM comparing my 2010 and 2001 WinPV charts and menus.
Cheers again
In my search I see the ECM actually compares a requested VE to those around it and will ignore a material change. But I believe that is for newer ECM versions than the 2001 I am tuning. Learn a lot comparing what is available from (and what can be done with) the ECM comparing my 2010 and 2001 WinPV charts and menus.
Cheers again
Last edited by david barnby; Feb 24, 2018 at 11:44 AM.
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If you want to try smoothing, save a copy of your tune, try the smoothing in the new copy and flash it.
The smoothing seems to be a little on the aggressive side to me. (no expert)
Looking through VEs in my logs, it looks like the ECU will use values between two adjacent cells when the other parameters are in between. Say you are running 3250 rpms, it will use the 3000 and 3500 VE values to estimate the value at 3250. (it seems to do the same with ignition timing)
If you running a closed loop / adaptive control tune, the CLI / AFF will also be used in calculating the fuel injection duration in closed loop portions of the tune.
I have only looked at data for a 2007-2013 Sportster, I have seen the newer tunes for the Sportster have added additional capabilities such as knock control and "Lambda range" to widen the closed loop control capability with the heated O2 sensors starting in 2014.
The smoothing seems to be a little on the aggressive side to me. (no expert)
Looking through VEs in my logs, it looks like the ECU will use values between two adjacent cells when the other parameters are in between. Say you are running 3250 rpms, it will use the 3000 and 3500 VE values to estimate the value at 3250. (it seems to do the same with ignition timing)
If you running a closed loop / adaptive control tune, the CLI / AFF will also be used in calculating the fuel injection duration in closed loop portions of the tune.
I have only looked at data for a 2007-2013 Sportster, I have seen the newer tunes for the Sportster have added additional capabilities such as knock control and "Lambda range" to widen the closed loop control capability with the heated O2 sensors starting in 2014.
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Lack of Guidance with PV.
Does any one know of ,or, has made a complete set of instructions for all of the different features on the Power Vision? I just received my Power Vision. All it comes with is a very minimal set of instructions. It does not even begin to scratch the surface on all the functions this unit can do. I have been watching You Tube videos. But. It would be nice to have a "manual" for this unit. Thanks. OLD 96.
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From: Paris & Munich
Does any one know of ,or, has made a complete set of instructions for all of the different features on the Power Vision? I just received my Power Vision. All it comes with is a very minimal set of instructions. It does not even begin to scratch the surface on all the functions this unit can do. I have been watching You Tube videos. But. It would be nice to have a "manual" for this unit. Thanks. OLD 96.
The tuner maker would have to take you on the same journey as these books to expalain their tools for working with eg MAP / VE / WOT etc
HOWEVER - thats for tuning instructions. Regarding all the other stuff you can do with a PV I too would love a guide on setting up gauges etc. I see riders showing their cylinder head temps etc and think ooh must try that but......
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From: Indianapolis
Here are some helpful resources:
Fuel Moto has a list of PV info: Choose the "Downloads" tab (under the Buy Now box)
https://www.fuelmotousa.com/p-28398-...M%20XL%201200C
Harley has online training for the SE tuners that include some EFI info along with helpful tuning instructions: (it is geared to thier software/hardware)
Super Tuner- http://prosupertuner.harley-davidson...ENU/index.html
Street Tuner- http://streetperformancetuner.harley...ENU/index.html
Dyno Jet has a number of resources for the PV:
http://www.dynojet.com/powervision/p...Power%20Vision
Power Vision User Guide for the Power Vision WinPV Software
http://www.powercommander.com/downlo...8100016.08.pdf
Here is a link to DynoJet videos:
http://www.dynojet.com/powervision/p...on-videos.aspx
"How to set up Power Vision Gauge Display"
Fuel Moto has a list of PV info: Choose the "Downloads" tab (under the Buy Now box)
https://www.fuelmotousa.com/p-28398-...M%20XL%201200C
Harley has online training for the SE tuners that include some EFI info along with helpful tuning instructions: (it is geared to thier software/hardware)
Super Tuner- http://prosupertuner.harley-davidson...ENU/index.html
Street Tuner- http://streetperformancetuner.harley...ENU/index.html
Dyno Jet has a number of resources for the PV:
http://www.dynojet.com/powervision/p...Power%20Vision
Power Vision User Guide for the Power Vision WinPV Software
http://www.powercommander.com/downlo...8100016.08.pdf
Here is a link to DynoJet videos:
http://www.dynojet.com/powervision/p...on-videos.aspx
"How to set up Power Vision Gauge Display"
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Does any one know of ,or, has made a complete set of instructions for all of the different features on the Power Vision? I just received my Power Vision. All it comes with is a very minimal set of instructions. It does not even begin to scratch the surface on all the functions this unit can do. I have been watching You Tube videos. But. It would be nice to have a "manual" for this unit. Thanks. OLD 96.
Those are good informational links for sure. You can also refer to the Power Vision section on the Fuel Moto University knowlege database here:
https://university.fuelmotousa.com/h...t-Power-Vision
https://university.fuelmotousa.com/h...t-Power-Vision
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Tourer
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From: Northwest, Arkansas
I have a Power Vision that I got from Fuel Moto. I have been reading as much as possible and pushing various buttons on the unit.
My question is when I went to Quick Tune and clicked through to the screen with the EITMS and Knock Sensor etc. The EITMS selection was greyed out and there was no check mark. I tried to check it but couldn't. I rolled the throttle and the engine light turned colors. That says to me that it is working, right?
I checked the knock sensor and it went on and off as I expected.
Am I supposed to be able to check the EITMS.?
I have read there is a place that the temperature the EITMS comes on and off at can be adjusted. Where might I find that?
I know I could call Fuel Moto tomorrow but I figured this was just a beginners question that might be better placed here.
Thanks
My question is when I went to Quick Tune and clicked through to the screen with the EITMS and Knock Sensor etc. The EITMS selection was greyed out and there was no check mark. I tried to check it but couldn't. I rolled the throttle and the engine light turned colors. That says to me that it is working, right?
I checked the knock sensor and it went on and off as I expected.
Am I supposed to be able to check the EITMS.?
I have read there is a place that the temperature the EITMS comes on and off at can be adjusted. Where might I find that?
I know I could call Fuel Moto tomorrow but I figured this was just a beginners question that might be better placed here.
Thanks
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Road Warrior
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From: Indianapolis
What year and model bike do you have?
Does it support EITMS?
If you have a computer with WinPV installed you can download your tune from the PowerVision and look at the settings.
Power Vision User Guide for the Power Vision WinPV Software
http://www.powercommander.com/downlo...8100016.08.pdf
The EITMS temp are in the Environment Folder.
The Enable / Disable EITMS is under Limits and Switches.
Does it support EITMS?
If you have a computer with WinPV installed you can download your tune from the PowerVision and look at the settings.
Power Vision User Guide for the Power Vision WinPV Software
http://www.powercommander.com/downlo...8100016.08.pdf
The EITMS temp are in the Environment Folder.
The Enable / Disable EITMS is under Limits and Switches.
Tourer
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From: Northwest, Arkansas
Sorry, I have a 2014 Road King and it has EITMS. I found the section in WinTV that enables the EITMS and it is set to 0 and the temp is set to 305. I have flashed my bike with that tune. Since WinPV was set to 0 will that still allow the bike to activate EITMS?
I guess the same question is for ACRs as well.
Thanks
I guess the same question is for ACRs as well.
Thanks