Power Vision Information Thread
Tourer
Joined: Jun 2011
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From: Charlotte, NC
Hi guys, this might be a dumb/lazy question but is there a quick link to the latest autotune documentation and firmware? I havent done mine since autotune was just in beta.
I searched through the thread but with over 400 pages I couldnt find the current info.
thanks in advance
-Steve
I searched through the thread but with over 400 pages I couldnt find the current info.
thanks in advance
-Steve
http://www.dynojet.com/powervision/p...Power%20Vision
Everything you need can be found here:
http://www.dynojet.com/powervision/p...Power%20Vision
http://www.dynojet.com/powervision/p...Power%20Vision
exactly what i needed. thank you!
Elite HDF Member
Joined: Aug 2010
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From: Mpls, MN
Ok, I read till I got an headache and have most the stuff I need, I downloaded the stuff from Moto that JeffKill posted and I am down to one question.
I bought the Power Commander 5 and the Auto tune add on, I did not buy the Power Vision, and am under the understanding I don't need it for me.
I am wondering how you keep the original map in case it's needed??
Can you do the same stuff as the Power Vision only on a laptop computer??
Ok.Ok. two questions.
TIA
al
I bought the Power Commander 5 and the Auto tune add on, I did not buy the Power Vision, and am under the understanding I don't need it for me.
I am wondering how you keep the original map in case it's needed??
Can you do the same stuff as the Power Vision only on a laptop computer??
Ok.Ok. two questions.
TIA
al
Road Captain
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 716
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From: Shreveport,La
Ok, I read till I got an headache and have most the stuff I need, I downloaded the stuff from Moto that JeffKill posted and I am down to one question.
I bought the Power Commander 5 and the Auto tune add on, I did not buy the Power Vision, and am under the understanding I don't need it for me.
I am wondering how you keep the original map in case it's needed??
Can you do the same stuff as the Power Vision only on a laptop computer??
Ok.Ok. two questions.
TIA
al
I bought the Power Commander 5 and the Auto tune add on, I did not buy the Power Vision, and am under the understanding I don't need it for me.
I am wondering how you keep the original map in case it's needed??
Can you do the same stuff as the Power Vision only on a laptop computer??
Ok.Ok. two questions.
TIA
al
The PC V is a piggy back unit and doesn't write to the ECM so the map on the ECM doesn't change. All the programing is done on the PC V itself, then it fools the ECM into doing what you want is my understanding. That is the way the PC III worked which is what I had before the PV.
Elite HDF Member
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 4,571
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From: Mpls, MN
The PC V is a piggy back unit and doesn't write to the ECM so the map on the ECM doesn't change. All the programing is done on the PC V itself, then it fools the ECM into doing what you want is my understanding. That is the way the PC III worked which is what I had before the PV.
Thanks much.
Al
Road Captain
Joined: Nov 2012
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From: USA
So I got a note from Jamie at FM a week or so back and he said we needed to address my map after the Dynojet rep made some changes via remote PC link. I don't know what needed to be address and I have not heard back from him yet either.
I did some data logs and I still have some knock events, but I don't hear any pinging. Most of the knock events are 2* or less on the front cylinder only in the 60 kpa column from 1750 to 2750 rpm. I had one 7* pull, but it was getting pretty warm in stop and go when that happened so I think that was just an anomaly.
Question is, what is considered a minor knock event and what is considered a major knock event? What should I ignore and what should I worry about trying to fix? I have done auto tunes and I have done Log Tuner tunes. Both say my VE's are no more that 2-3 off so the VE's are dialed in and when using Log Tuner it doesn't ever want to pull more that point 2 or point 3 degrees of timing in a few places.
I have created several new tunes using the Lot Tuner allowing it to pull those small amounts of timing, but I still keep getting the knock events in the same places. I even allowed it to readjust the VE tables in the last two Log Tuner maps, but no real change in knock events and again the VE table changes were less than the 5%.
I did some data logs and I still have some knock events, but I don't hear any pinging. Most of the knock events are 2* or less on the front cylinder only in the 60 kpa column from 1750 to 2750 rpm. I had one 7* pull, but it was getting pretty warm in stop and go when that happened so I think that was just an anomaly.
Question is, what is considered a minor knock event and what is considered a major knock event? What should I ignore and what should I worry about trying to fix? I have done auto tunes and I have done Log Tuner tunes. Both say my VE's are no more that 2-3 off so the VE's are dialed in and when using Log Tuner it doesn't ever want to pull more that point 2 or point 3 degrees of timing in a few places.
I have created several new tunes using the Lot Tuner allowing it to pull those small amounts of timing, but I still keep getting the knock events in the same places. I even allowed it to readjust the VE tables in the last two Log Tuner maps, but no real change in knock events and again the VE table changes were less than the 5%.
To me, pinging is pinging. Any amount needs to be addressed. I don't consider the severity in degrees. I want it all gone.
Could this be a false retard from the ion sensing?
Try taking it out closed loop and run a log in open loop at say 14.0. Do the knock retards disappear?
Do the retards happen every time you're in this map and rpm? Or is 1 out of 20 times (example)?
Does the retard show during steady cruise or when you get on the throttle? If it's when you get on the throttle (log should show map increase), would a slight increase in AE help knock it down?
I don't know all the answers but maybe knowing this would help FM with diagnosing the retards.
Road Captain
Joined: Nov 2012
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From: USA
You shouldn't be seeing any timing being added. The system is designed, as far as I know, to pull timing when a knock is detected. I'm not aware of any way the system can add timing. Are you sure you're looking at the timing and not the VE's?
Tourer
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From: Ventura, CA
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Cruiser
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From: Monticello Indiana
In the winpv software open options and make sure to set it to pro mode, then you should be able to see it. It will be in the spark directory listed as spark by air temp or engine temp or head temp. From my understanding engine temp is for the vrods since there liquid cooled.
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Road Master
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From: Manchester, NH
In the winpv software open options and make sure to set it to pro mode, then you should be able to see it. It will be in the spark directory listed as spark by air temp or engine temp or head temp. From my understanding engine temp is for the vrods since there liquid cooled.