107 vs 114
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107 vs 114
Trying to understand the difference and cost. I visited a Massachusetts dealer this weekend and we were chatting about the possibility of the RGS and 114 engine. He said that the 114 was completely different from a 107 Stage III (kit to take the 107 to the 114). So they made a new engine? Does that mean that we should wait until they work the bugs out of this engine as well?
I compared the Heritage Classic 107 vs 114. The cost increases by $1,300 and you get 119 ft lbs of torque (per website).
To take the 107 to 114 Stage III, you need the kit ($1700) plus the mufflers ($550) plus the AC ($190) plus the tuner ($300) = $2,740 plus labor ($1000?) = $3,740 and you get torque of 112 ft lbs.
What am I missing? My assumption is that the 114 Heritage is tuned and ready to go and you do not need to add anything to get the 119 torque.
How does this help the dealers who lose out on $2,440 in service? You would have to sell 2 additional bikes to make up the shortfall for each kit
I compared the Heritage Classic 107 vs 114. The cost increases by $1,300 and you get 119 ft lbs of torque (per website).
To take the 107 to 114 Stage III, you need the kit ($1700) plus the mufflers ($550) plus the AC ($190) plus the tuner ($300) = $2,740 plus labor ($1000?) = $3,740 and you get torque of 112 ft lbs.
What am I missing? My assumption is that the 114 Heritage is tuned and ready to go and you do not need to add anything to get the 119 torque.
How does this help the dealers who lose out on $2,440 in service? You would have to sell 2 additional bikes to make up the shortfall for each kit
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The stock 114 likely has standard heads, cams and pistons, the 114 upgrade from the 107 would have upgraded those components, would be my guess.
But I think its a scam, personally. The difference in cost to produce a 114 vs a 107 is minimal, but they'll get $1300 for it.
Its similar to how Apple is just a high priced reseller of flash memory. The price difference between a 64GB and a 128GB iPhone is significant, but a 64GB microSD card is very inexpensive.
But I think its a scam, personally. The difference in cost to produce a 114 vs a 107 is minimal, but they'll get $1300 for it.
Its similar to how Apple is just a high priced reseller of flash memory. The price difference between a 64GB and a 128GB iPhone is significant, but a 64GB microSD card is very inexpensive.
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The stock 114 likely has standard heads, cams and pistons, the 114 upgrade from the 107 would have upgraded those components, would be my guess.
But I think its a scam, personally. The difference in cost to produce a 114 vs a 107 is minimal, but they'll get $1300 for it.
Its similar to how Apple is just a high priced reseller of flash memory. The price difference between a 64GB and a 128GB iPhone is significant, but a 64GB microSD card is very inexpensive.
But I think its a scam, personally. The difference in cost to produce a 114 vs a 107 is minimal, but they'll get $1300 for it.
Its similar to how Apple is just a high priced reseller of flash memory. The price difference between a 64GB and a 128GB iPhone is significant, but a 64GB microSD card is very inexpensive.
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Interesting. The Bore, Stroke, CC and Compression are different 107 vs 114. What changes occur with the 107 Stage III upgrade? Do the Bore and CC change but the Stroke and Compression stay the same?
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If you are comparing it apples to apples the torque figured for the stage 3 107 is to the rear wheel and the website showing the 114 is at the crank. the 107 is listed at 109 to 111 lb feet on hd website depending on model.
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Thanks. So if you had an option (regardless of any reality) would you buy the Stock 114 or go Stage III on the 107 if you were trying to get a better ride (low end torque) regardless of cost?
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Since i have rode both the 107 and the 114 i would say the 107 with a kit if they have the sumping fixed