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The Dunlop website fails to show the WEIGHT of the Elite 3 in the 240 width (because in the case of the Elite 3 it is nothing to boast about), but Dennis Kirk identifies it on their website. It is 21.75 lb. This is very heavy. It's actually about 32% heavier than the Pirelli Diablo that I am running on my Breakout.
When I put on my first Pirelli 240 after the first stock (Dunlop) tire was just partially worn (because the Dunlop felt so bad to me), I described it here on the forum at the time "like my bike lost its concrete overshoes". 32% more weight, right at the periphery of a wheel, is a huge moment of inertia penalty to pay.
BUT, I understand that the Dunlop Elite 3 is supposed to last a lot longer than my Pirelli. I think that's because the Dunlop has a lot more carcass weight and a rubber compound that focuses more on mileage than on traction. If I were touring, and if I did not value sticky traction for safety reasons, maybe I'd buy an Elite 3 to save some money. But since I value the riding experience and my safety more, and I put on only maybe 3000 miles per year, I continue to go with the Pirelli, because in terms of nimbleness, it's on a different PLANET than the Dunlop.
Jim G
When I put on my first Pirelli 240 after the first stock (Dunlop) tire was just partially worn (because the Dunlop felt so bad to me), I described it here on the forum at the time "like my bike lost its concrete overshoes". 32% more weight, right at the periphery of a wheel, is a huge moment of inertia penalty to pay.
BUT, I understand that the Dunlop Elite 3 is supposed to last a lot longer than my Pirelli. I think that's because the Dunlop has a lot more carcass weight and a rubber compound that focuses more on mileage than on traction. If I were touring, and if I did not value sticky traction for safety reasons, maybe I'd buy an Elite 3 to save some money. But since I value the riding experience and my safety more, and I put on only maybe 3000 miles per year, I continue to go with the Pirelli, because in terms of nimbleness, it's on a different PLANET than the Dunlop.
Jim G
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The Dunlop website fails to show the WEIGHT of the Elite 3 in the 240 width (because in the case of the Elite 3 it is nothing to boast about), but Dennis Kirk identifies it on their website. It is 21.75 lb. This is very heavy. It's actually about 32% heavier than the Pirelli Diablo that I am running on my Breakout.
When I put on my first Pirelli 240 after the first stock (Dunlop) tire was just partially worn (because the Dunlop felt so bad to me), I described it here on the forum at the time "like my bike lost its concrete overshoes". 32% more weight, right at the periphery of a wheel, is a huge moment of inertia penalty to pay.
BUT, I understand that the Dunlop Elite 3 is supposed to last a lot longer than my Pirelli. I think that's because the Dunlop has a lot more carcass weight and a rubber compound that focuses more on mileage than on traction. If I were touring, and if I did not value sticky traction for safety reasons, maybe I'd buy an Elite 3 to save some money. But since I value the riding experience and my safety more, and I put on only maybe 3000 miles per year, I continue to go with the Pirelli, because in terms of nimbleness, it's on a different PLANET than the Dunlop.
Jim G
When I put on my first Pirelli 240 after the first stock (Dunlop) tire was just partially worn (because the Dunlop felt so bad to me), I described it here on the forum at the time "like my bike lost its concrete overshoes". 32% more weight, right at the periphery of a wheel, is a huge moment of inertia penalty to pay.
BUT, I understand that the Dunlop Elite 3 is supposed to last a lot longer than my Pirelli. I think that's because the Dunlop has a lot more carcass weight and a rubber compound that focuses more on mileage than on traction. If I were touring, and if I did not value sticky traction for safety reasons, maybe I'd buy an Elite 3 to save some money. But since I value the riding experience and my safety more, and I put on only maybe 3000 miles per year, I continue to go with the Pirelli, because in terms of nimbleness, it's on a different PLANET than the Dunlop.
Jim G
You have ridden the E3 then and it was like concrete overshoes compared to the Pirelli ? I've gotten slightly more wear out of the E3 vs the OEM Dunlop but the difference in that regard isn't big. The difference in handling and ride confidence / comfort on the other hand, is striking. You just ride more aggressively on the E3 vs OEM because,, you can. Maybe the extra weight plus the gyro effect is what makes em so confidence inspiring. I dunno, just speculating.
In my case, I also went to a 250 width vs the 240 OEM. Everything you change makes for some difference I suppose.
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Thanx Jim.
You have ridden the E3 then and it was like concrete overshoes compared to the Pirelli ? I've gotten slightly more wear out of the E3 vs the OEM Dunlop but the difference in that regard isn't big. The difference in handling and ride confidence / comfort on the other hand, is striking. You just ride more aggressively on the E3 vs OEM because,, you can. Maybe the extra weight plus the gyro effect is what makes em so confidence inspiring. I dunno, just speculating.
In my case, I also went to a 250 width vs the 240 OEM. Everything you change makes for some difference I suppose.
You have ridden the E3 then and it was like concrete overshoes compared to the Pirelli ? I've gotten slightly more wear out of the E3 vs the OEM Dunlop but the difference in that regard isn't big. The difference in handling and ride confidence / comfort on the other hand, is striking. You just ride more aggressively on the E3 vs OEM because,, you can. Maybe the extra weight plus the gyro effect is what makes em so confidence inspiring. I dunno, just speculating.
In my case, I also went to a 250 width vs the 240 OEM. Everything you change makes for some difference I suppose.
Jim G
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Unless you're trying to carve corners in the rain on a Breakout, I don't think there are any available tires that don't have enough grip to stick a Breakout in its lowest lean angle. Seriously, my rear brake lever and primary have plenty of grinds on them and the very edge of my rear tire is barely scuffed. Granted, I could get a little bit more if I did the front suspension upgrades, but I still wouldn't worry about grip after that.
Tires are always a personal preference. I like getting at least 7k out of my rear E3. The bike handles well with the set and I like the added bonus of the 250 looks.
Tires are always a personal preference. I like getting at least 7k out of my rear E3. The bike handles well with the set and I like the added bonus of the 250 looks.
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Unless you're trying to carve corners in the rain on a Breakout, I don't think there are any available tires that don't have enough grip to stick a Breakout in its lowest lean angle. Seriously, my rear brake lever and primary have plenty of grinds on them and the very edge of my rear tire is barely scuffed. Granted, I could get a little bit more if I did the front suspension upgrades, but I still wouldn't worry about grip after that.
Tires are always a personal preference. I like getting at least 7k out of my rear E3. The bike handles well with the set and I like the added bonus of the 250 looks.
Tires are always a personal preference. I like getting at least 7k out of my rear E3. The bike handles well with the set and I like the added bonus of the 250 looks.
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From: Lethbridge, Alberta Canada
After I put it on, after first running the Pirelli Diablo in the REAR for a while already, my first reaction was that the Breakout just lost its 2nd concrete overshoe!
Jim G
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