Feb 13, 2015, 01:41 PM
Last edit by: IB Advertising
Everything Breakout! Find out everything you need to know! Some topics include:
• Customizing you bike
• Seats
• Risers
• And much more!
For more information check out these threads:More Threads
• Customizing you bike
• Seats
• Risers
• And much more!
For more information check out these threads:More Threads
The Everything Breakout Thread
Stellar HDF Member
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,925
Likes: 946
From: Texas
even if you reinstall the factory flash, you will void the warranty. All flashes are stored in the ecm. The digital tech will find them and immediately void the warranty. If that’s something you want to keep, stick with the Harley tuner.
Tourer
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 490
Likes: 119
From: New Brunswick, Canada
I don't think that is true, multiple tunes are stored on a tuner or computer and the ECM only contains one tune(either stock or flashed). But I think you are partially right, the technicians can tell if the
ECM has been flashed.
ECM has been flashed.
Last edited by showin4fun; Jul 4, 2020 at 06:24 AM.
Stellar HDF Member
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,925
Likes: 946
From: Texas
It’s absolutely true. There ecm hold’s a record of the flashes. the tech I work with showed me his system. Shows a list of flashes with date time stamp.
Road Captain
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 635
Likes: 47
From: North Jersey, USA
If you're going to buy a tuner though, get the Dynojet gadget from Fuel Moto. They have 10x better support.
3rd Gear
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 7
Likes: 2
From: Florida
This is the response from Vance & Hines:
Hello,
Thank you for choosing Vance and Hines. Yes, they are correct. It will void out the warranty. But we do save your stock map from the bike on the Fp3 just in case you need to go in for maintenance and Harley will not be able to detect a different tuner on the bike unless you keep it hooked up and they see it. I hope this helps.
Thank you,
Customer Service Team
VANCE & HINES
13861 Rosecrans Ave. Santa Fe Springs, CA 90670
t. (800) 592-2529f. (562) 802-0110
On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 7:14 PM VANCE & HINES (Shopify) <mailer@shopify.com> wrote:
You received a new message from your online store's contact form.
Name:
Scott DeWaterEmail:
scottdeh2o@yahoo.comBody:
I have a 2020 Harley FXBRS Softail Breakout 114 and will be installing V&H Big Radius 2-2 exhaust. I want to add the Fuelpak FP3 tuner, but Harley-Davidson is telling me it will void my warranty. Is it possible to add the FP3, but restore factory tuning and removing the FP3 prior to taking the bike in for service? Will it be detectable by Harley-Davidson’s technicians? Any recommendations?
Disclaimer: The information contained in this transmission, including any attachments, may contain confidential information of Vance & Hines. This transmission is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) listed above. Unauthorized review, dissemination or other use of the information contained in this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error or have reason to believe you are not authorized to receive it, please notify the sender by return email and promptly delete the transmission.
Tourer
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 490
Likes: 119
From: New Brunswick, Canada
i totally agree with NSR, if your not hooked on the FP3 i would definitely consider Fuel Moto and the Dynojet Power Vision Tuner!
Last edited by showin4fun; Jul 4, 2020 at 01:27 PM.
HD Forum Stories
The Best of Harley-Davidson for Lifelong Riders
10 Worst Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever
Pouria Savadkouei
Killer Custom's Jail Break Is The Breakout That Refused to Blend In
Verdad Gallardo
Crazy Bunderbike Build Looks Amazing, But Is It Impossible to Ride?
Verdad Gallardo
Harley-Davidson Reveals Super Cool Cafe Racer Concept
Verdad Gallardo
Engraved Rebellion: Inside Bundnerbike's Glam Rock II
Verdad Gallardo
10 Motorcycles You Should Never Buy
Joe Kucinski
10 Things Harley-Davidson Needs to Fix in 2026
Verdad Gallardo
Southpaw Super Glide: A Left-Hand-Drive 1979 Harley FXE Built to Fit the Rider
Verdad Gallardo
The Best and Worst Harley-Davidson Moves of 2025
Verdad Gallardo
Advanced
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 57
Likes: 20
From: The Show Me State
[QUOTE=Scott Deh2o;19239623]This is the response from Vance & Hines:
Hello,
Thank you for choosing Vance and Hines. Yes, they are correct. It will void out the warranty. But we do save your stock map from the bike on the Fp3 just in case you need to go in for maintenance and Harley will not be able to detect a different tuner on the bike unless you keep it hooked up and they see it. I hope this helps.
Thank you,
Customer Service Team
VANCE & HINES
13861 Rosecrans Ave. Santa Fe Springs, CA 90670
t. (800) 592-2529f. (562) 802-0110
On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 7:14 PM VANCE & HINES (Shopify) <mailer@shopify.com> wrote:
Disclaimer: The information contained in this transmission, including any attachments, may contain confidential information of Vance & Hines. This transmission is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) listed above. Unauthorized review, dissemination or other use of the information contained in this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error or have reason to believe you are not authorized to receive it, please notify the sender by return email and promptly delete the transmission.[/
Hello,
Thank you for choosing Vance and Hines. Yes, they are correct. It will void out the warranty. But we do save your stock map from the bike on the Fp3 just in case you need to go in for maintenance and Harley will not be able to detect a different tuner on the bike unless you keep it hooked up and they see it. I hope this helps.
Thank you,
Customer Service Team
VANCE & HINES
13861 Rosecrans Ave. Santa Fe Springs, CA 90670
t. (800) 592-2529f. (562) 802-0110
On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 7:14 PM VANCE & HINES (Shopify) <mailer@shopify.com> wrote:
You received a new message from your online store's contact form.
Name:
Scott DeWaterEmail:
scottdeh2o@yahoo.comBody:
I have a 2020 Harley FXBRS Softail Breakout 114 and will be installing V&H Big Radius 2-2 exhaust. I want to add the Fuelpak FP3 tuner, but Harley-Davidson is telling me it will void my warranty. Is it possible to add the FP3, but restore factory tuning and removing the FP3 prior to taking the bike in for service? Will it be detectable by Harley-Davidson’s technicians? Any recommendations?Disclaimer: The information contained in this transmission, including any attachments, may contain confidential information of Vance & Hines. This transmission is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) listed above. Unauthorized review, dissemination or other use of the information contained in this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error or have reason to believe you are not authorized to receive it, please notify the sender by return email and promptly delete the transmission.[/
Stellar HDF Member
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,925
Likes: 946
From: Texas
[QUOTE=HDBoss;19240400]
I wouldn't believe that for nothing. They are trying to sell tuners and they will tell you anything. Short of them backing up that claim with a warranty reinforcement, I'd take that reply as statements of someone trying to sell you something. FP3s have always stored your base map when you flash it. That was a thing before HD clamped down on things. What it fails to account for is the record stored in the ECM. The ECM absolutely tells harley when/how many times it was flashed and whether it was their tuner or an aftermarket. Vance and Hines can't account for that or change that. The closest I have seen someone do is take an aftermarket tune and mimic it by changing the numbers on the harley tuner software to mimic it. My local dealer mentioned even that's questionable if you manually changed things too far out of EPA specs.
This is the response from Vance & Hines:
Hello,
Thank you for choosing Vance and Hines. Yes, they are correct. It will void out the warranty. But we do save your stock map from the bike on the Fp3 just in case you need to go in for maintenance and Harley will not be able to detect a different tuner on the bike unless you keep it hooked up and they see it. I hope this helps.
Thank you,
Customer Service Team
VANCE & HINES
13861 Rosecrans Ave. Santa Fe Springs, CA 90670
t. (800) 592-2529f. (562) 802-0110
On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 7:14 PM VANCE & HINES (Shopify) <mailer@shopify.com> wrote:
Disclaimer: The information contained in this transmission, including any attachments, may contain confidential information of Vance & Hines. This transmission is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) listed above. Unauthorized review, dissemination or other use of the information contained in this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error or have reason to believe you are not authorized to receive it, please notify the sender by return email and promptly delete the transmission.[/
Hello,
Thank you for choosing Vance and Hines. Yes, they are correct. It will void out the warranty. But we do save your stock map from the bike on the Fp3 just in case you need to go in for maintenance and Harley will not be able to detect a different tuner on the bike unless you keep it hooked up and they see it. I hope this helps.
Thank you,
Customer Service Team
VANCE & HINES
13861 Rosecrans Ave. Santa Fe Springs, CA 90670
t. (800) 592-2529f. (562) 802-0110
On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 7:14 PM VANCE & HINES (Shopify) <mailer@shopify.com> wrote:
You received a new message from your online store's contact form.
Name:
Scott DeWaterEmail:
scottdeh2o@yahoo.comBody:
I have a 2020 Harley FXBRS Softail Breakout 114 and will be installing V&H Big Radius 2-2 exhaust. I want to add the Fuelpak FP3 tuner, but Harley-Davidson is telling me it will void my warranty. Is it possible to add the FP3, but restore factory tuning and removing the FP3 prior to taking the bike in for service? Will it be detectable by Harley-Davidson’s technicians? Any recommendations?Disclaimer: The information contained in this transmission, including any attachments, may contain confidential information of Vance & Hines. This transmission is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) listed above. Unauthorized review, dissemination or other use of the information contained in this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error or have reason to believe you are not authorized to receive it, please notify the sender by return email and promptly delete the transmission.[/