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Old Mar 16, 2010 | 09:15 AM
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Well, I'm just going to hope to god everything is ok. It made me sick to my stomach opening up the primary cover and looking in and not seeing any oil. I picked up some Supertech 75w140 synthetic gear oil and it seems to be ok. I probably sound like a complete moron on here but I'm glad I asked. Thanks all.
75w-140 is to "heavy" for a Sporty which has a shared primary/tranny. It is designed for use in a Big Twin tranny which has a separate primary. A Sporty should use a 75w-90 Gear Oil.

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ok so shoot me in the right direction. I am new to the motorcycle world. I was passed down my dads bike and just changed the oil in it. I pulled the plug that is underneath the bike, drained the oil and i watched it drain and i know its the engine oil because when i looked there was no oil in the oil resevior. I added that oil to the right specifications. I have an 04.....is there anything else i should do when i change the oil....of course i changed the filter as well. How often should i do the tranny and how do i do it.
If you "pulled" a plug from the end of a rubber hose, then you drained the motor oil. If you unscrewed a plug from the bottom of the motor case, you drained the primary/tranny.

If in doubt, measure the quantity of oil in the drain pan. A motor drain will be 2.5-3.0 quarts, the primary drain will be about 1 quart.

Either way, $60.00 for a Service Manual is a butt load cheaper than what it will cost you for screwing up an oil change.

 
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Old Mar 16, 2010 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by brainfrz
Cool thanks. I got the 75w140 idea from the transmission fluid thread in the oil forum. I'll just cross my fingers. it runs fine now so maybe somebody upstairs was on my side. thanks all!
The problem with referring to other sections on this forum is that 95% of the info applies to Big Twins, NOT Sportsters. 75w140 is not designed to be used with a wet clutch. In a BT, the clutch is not in the same oil bath as the tranny. In the Sporty, it is.
 
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Old Mar 16, 2010 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by cHarley
The problem with referring to other sections on this forum is that 95% of the info applies to Big Twins, NOT Sportsters. 75w140 is not designed to be used with a wet clutch. In a BT, the clutch is not in the same oil bath as the tranny. In the Sporty, it is.
I'm good to just warm it up then drain and put 75w90 in there than, right? The 75w140 has no friction modifiers in it, it's just a higher viscosity than the 75w90. I've read in a coupel different forums this just makes shifting a bit smoother. I might ride with it for a while and see how it is.. $10 for synthetic gear oil isn't bad if you ask me.
 

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Old Mar 16, 2010 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by brainfrz
I'm good to just warm it up then drain and put 75w90 in there than, right? The 75w140 has no friction modifiers in it, it's just a higher viscosity than the 75w90. I've read in a coupel different forums this just makes shifting a bit smoother. I might ride with it for a while and see how it is.. $10 for synthetic gear oil isn't bad if you ask me.
either is 50 bucks for a manual
 
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Old Mar 16, 2010 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by brainfrz
I'm good to just warm it up then drain and put 75w90 in there than, right? The 75w140 has no friction modifiers in it, it's just a higher viscosity than the 75w90. I've read in a coupel different forums this just makes shifting a bit smoother. I might ride with it for a while and see how it is.. $10 for synthetic gear oil isn't bad if you ask me.
From what I know of this, which is limited, the problem with 75w140 gear oil has to do with the wet clutch, that is unique to the Sportsters. The higher viscosity will preclude the oil from getting into the clutch basket properly.

I do know a lot more about the clutch than I ever wanted to know. And it's really amazing to me that it gets properly lubricated anyway. I wouldn't want to do anything to make it more difficult for the oil to somehow find it's way inside the clutch basket. I would change out to 75w90 pretty quickly. Of course the 75w140 has got to be better than nothing. But, trust me, if the clutch hasn't been totally destroyed, you don't want to replace it.
 
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Old Mar 16, 2010 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by SportyPig
From what I know of this, which is limited, the problem with 75w140 gear oil has to do with the wet clutch, that is unique to the Sportsters. The higher viscosity will preclude the oil from getting into the clutch basket properly.

I do know a lot more about the clutch than I ever wanted to know. And it's really amazing to me that it gets properly lubricated anyway. I wouldn't want to do anything to make it more difficult for the oil to somehow find it's way inside the clutch basket. I would change out to 75w90 pretty quickly. Of course the 75w140 has got to be better than nothing. But, trust me, if the clutch hasn't been totally destroyed, you don't want to replace it.
Not to beat a dead horse or sound liek a broken record but the bike still runs fine- which kinda scares me. I mean running with little or no fluid for some time. When I had nothing in it it was shifting fine, no clunking, no weird noises, no burnt smells. I could have kept going (until it probably would have seized) without knowing. I'll get back to you all though after I ride today and see how it goes. I'll tell you though- this story does not get repeated to anyone I know. Thank god for the internet so I can let my stupidity out. Otherwise I would have had to call Harley or something and been "one of my friends ...." We'll see though- I've got my fingers crossed. Maybe I lucked out and got a Wednesday bike, or this thing just wanted to prove to me it's bullet proof. Won't know till the case is cracked open and I don't see that happening until I notice something doesn't seem right.
 
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Old Mar 16, 2010 | 11:17 AM
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I was just in my garage, and happened to see my recently replaced primary chain adjuster foot. That part is made out of hard plastic. It is fairly inexpensive (less than $30). Since that chain was running dry across that plastic I think that would be a good idea to replace. It is a relatively easy install, and with the extra heat that had to be generated on that plastic foot, it's quite likely chewed up pretty bad. Everything else that is inside that hole is not cheap or easy to replace. And they are made out of metal not plastic. As a preventive measure, I would replace that adjuster foot. If it is chewed up, the primary chain will be next.

Good luck. Most of us have done a few stupid things when working on our bikes.
 

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Old Mar 16, 2010 | 11:29 AM
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Would it be a good idea in this situation to drain the tranny fluid after a few hundred miles or so to get some of the gunk suspended and out of there. I am sure it must have gotten nasty in there w/o lubrication.
 
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Old Mar 16, 2010 | 12:19 PM
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the hose is the engine oil ,and the plug is the primary , 2 different things,the hose for engine and screw plug for primary under the primary cover ,

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Old Mar 16, 2010 | 12:42 PM
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Just called dealership- $85 to pull the case and take a look. I think thats well worth the peice of mind.
 
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