DYNOJET: TT AT vs PV Basic AT
Road Warrior
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From: Alorton, Illinois
Tall claim. Post up the logs and let's all have a look. What you got to hide? If it is, what you say it truly is? Prove it. Why all the carny games?
If you had it. You would of posted it by now. Posted very clearly, so everybody could understand it. You been trying to convince people how you are a tuners for years. But there are some very basic things you don't know or understand. You are proving that over and over.
Maybe you should find a CRX or jet ski forum.
Road Master
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From: georgia
Tall claim. Post up the logs and let's all have a look. What you got to hide? If it is, what you say it truly is? Prove it. Why all the carny games?
If you had it. You would of posted it by now. Posted very clearly, so everybody could understand it. You been trying to convince people how you are a tuners for years. But there are some very basic things you don't know or understand. You are proving that over and over.
Maybe you should find a CRX or jet ski forum.
If you had it. You would of posted it by now. Posted very clearly, so everybody could understand it. You been trying to convince people how you are a tuners for years. But there are some very basic things you don't know or understand. You are proving that over and over.
Maybe you should find a CRX or jet ski forum.
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Road Master
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From: USA
OK her is a Dyno tuned Bike at the top half of the screen and at the bottom is my Target Tune bike. Look at the Desired AFR compared to the AFR on the bottom of each plot. Notice how well the the Target Tune bike holds AFR as it rolls down the road. Both graphs are real close to 400 sec worth of data.
http://www.nbs-stl.com/HarleyTuning/...%20Targets.PNG
http://www.nbs-stl.com/HarleyTuning/...%20Targets.PNG
That is not what I was asking. Go back and re-read my question. Further, as I indicated earlier, I cannot read those picture plots.
Why don't you just answer my question in words, rather than posting pictures?
Road Master
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Oleboy, apparently, the only answer you will accept is "There is no advantage , keep doing what you doing." I don't know how to convince you that I feel the TT option is simply superior in every way I know how to look at it.
You guys would be shocked at the number of bikes that are being tuned with these methods and concepts every week. People that do not want to post data and comments here in fear of intimidation.
Have fun learning to tune.
Andy
You guys would be shocked at the number of bikes that are being tuned with these methods and concepts every week. People that do not want to post data and comments here in fear of intimidation.
Have fun learning to tune.
Andy
Road Warrior
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From: Alorton, Illinois
Road Warrior
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From: Alorton, Illinois
Road Warrior
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From: Edinburgh UK
The real difference is the person doing the tuning, not the device ...I think anyway.
Give me a dyno, I'll still not know what the heck I'm doing. For the love of wotzit we're still only talking about mapping VE tables ...THAT IS NOT TUNING YOUR BIKE !! autotune one day, you get different numbers if you autotune next week, who cares what the difference between narrow and wide is.
Unless you want to RUN a closed-loop all of the time (for what it is worth, looking at those traces) - in that case, PV doesn't work, PV+TT does.
but no doubt there will be another 15 pages in this or another thread on the same old same old, keep bumping your gums but I'm outa this one and off to ride my bike
Last edited by Gordon61; Jul 3, 2016 at 06:06 AM.
Road Warrior
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From: Australia
yeah i'm off to get a latte too
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Tourer
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Not arguing, just not understanding this statement. The MAP sensor is telling us the state of vacuum in the manifold and RPM is just telling us how fast the pump is pumping. While it is not a flow bench and is not measuring the inefficiency in the pumping process (flow loss due to friction, restrictions, air temp, etc.), why isn't MAPxRPM a reliable relative indication of air flow to use?
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Road Master
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From: USA
Oleboy, apparently, the only answer you will accept is "There is no advantage , keep doing what you doing." I don't know how to convince you that I feel the TT option is simply superior in every way I know how to look at it.
You guys would be shocked at the number of bikes that are being tuned with these methods and concepts every week. People that do not want to post data and comments here in fear of intimidation.
Have fun learning to tune.
Andy
You guys would be shocked at the number of bikes that are being tuned with these methods and concepts every week. People that do not want to post data and comments here in fear of intimidation.
Have fun learning to tune.
Andy
That is all I have ever asked.