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Old Jul 15, 2015 | 01:35 AM
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It's not the exhaust. It will be back. Has the handlebars been messed with? If not, it's the TSSM.
 

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Old Jul 15, 2015 | 09:24 PM
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low and behold......it's not the slip ons causing the problem, go figure.

I did get two more codes in the system:
P0374 crank position sensor
P0505 unstable Idle

I talked to someone today and they mentioned a BCM on the left side of the bike that is controlling over half the electrical on the bike on the 2014's. Anyone had a problem with one of those or heard of someone who has?
 
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Old Jul 16, 2015 | 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by PunkJunky
low and behold......it's not the slip ons causing the problem, go figure.

I did get two more codes in the system:
P0374 crank position sensor
P0505 unstable Idle

I talked to someone today and they mentioned a BCM on the left side of the bike that is controlling over half the electrical on the bike on the 2014's. Anyone had a problem with one of those or heard of someone who has?
Why is the dealership not going after the crank sensor code?
 
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Old Jul 16, 2015 | 06:36 AM
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This is going to sound really stupid, but has anyone checked to make sure the battery connections are tight and that there is no corrosion interfering? That is just the sort of thing that can cause intermittent "electrical" issues. Probably not it, but always check the simple and cheap things first.
 
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Old Jul 16, 2015 | 11:52 AM
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I've seen a bad connection to the Throttle Position sensor give similar symptoms.

Flex the wire bundle going to the TPS when running, to see if you can recreate the effects.
 
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Old Jul 16, 2015 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by sporacer
Why is the dealership not going after the crank sensor code?
The dealer changed out the MAP sensor today and ran it on the dyno for 30 min before they let me know that they think it's fixed this time. They are going to run it some more on the dyno tomorrow before they test drive it on the road and then give it back.

I think the reason they aren't going after the crank sensor is because the ECM is looking for crank pulse at a certain interval and when the engine misses, the ECM is thinking the crank sensor is bad and not the engine running like ****. At least that is my .02, if any of you guys think I'm on the wrong base please voice your opinion.

At least the MAP sensor seems legitimate. Unmetered air in a fuel injected motor wreaks havoc on drivability.
 
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Old Jul 16, 2015 | 08:35 PM
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Hope ya got her, let us know
 
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Old Jul 17, 2015 | 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by PunkJunky
The dealer changed out the MAP sensor today and ran it on the dyno for 30 min before they let me know that they think it's fixed this time. They are going to run it some more on the dyno tomorrow before they test drive it on the road and then give it back.

I think the reason they aren't going after the crank sensor is because the ECM is looking for crank pulse at a certain interval and when the engine misses, the ECM is thinking the crank sensor is bad and not the engine running like ****. At least that is my .02, if any of you guys think I'm on the wrong base please voice your opinion.

At least the MAP sensor seems legitimate. Unmetered air in a fuel injected motor wreaks havoc on drivability.
A map sensor senses engine load not engine air flow by using a reading of manifold pressure. When the key is turned on the sensor reads BP barometric pressure and uses this as a baseline. When idling the engine has its highest amount of vacuum and 0 at wot. The ecm uses this reading along with tps and rpm to calculate fuel pulse width. Map sensors typically don't fail in a intermittent way. It looks like they are just throwing parts at it and need to duplicate the concern to get it fixed. Be patient these type of problems can be very difficult to diagnose. My money is on a wiring issue.
 
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Originally Posted by sporacer
A map sensor senses engine load not engine air flow by using a reading of manifold pressure. When the key is turned on the sensor reads BP barometric pressure and uses this as a baseline. When idling the engine has its highest amount of vacuum and 0 at wot. The ecm uses this reading along with tps and rpm to calculate fuel pulse width. Map sensors typically don't fail in a intermittent way. It looks like they are just throwing parts at it and need to duplicate the concern to get it fixed. Be patient these type of problems can be very difficult to diagnose. My money is on a wiring issue.
we were both right....it was indeed a wiring issue that was causing the problem. After the dealer replaced the MAP sensor, I put another 300 miles or so on it and started to have the same problems again. This time I took it to a different dealer and they found the wiring harness going to the MAP sensor was cut about a 1/2 inch short when it was made at the factory and a wire broke inside the loom. Since then I've put another 600 miles with no issues so I think it might finally be fixed.
 
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