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Oct 2, 2015 | 06:27 PM

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Lucky1359

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I may do that just to see if they sell a kit that would make this much easier haha. I like what I read about their products and their new 509 cams.

Oct 2, 2015 | 06:28 PM

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Maybe that's why your Indy likes the SE as everything is there.

Oct 2, 2015 | 06:38 PM

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I sent them an email for now. I still need to save up a little more cash till I can make this happen but I want to know everything I am using when the time comes to make it happen quick.

Oct 2, 2015 | 07:17 PM

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I bought an S&S cam plate for an 07 electraglide , so yes they have plates with the 07, and up spec, along with the oil pump. If you want I can give you part numbers.

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Originally Posted by Lucky1359

From what I read about the S&S cam plate is that it is updated for the hydraulic tensioners but isn't the new 07+ design. I could be wrong but that is what I took from the S&S website.

Oct 2, 2015 | 07:21 PM

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Are cams smaller diameter on both ends. 06 & up larger die on both ends conversion cam outer dia big, inner small to use in our case with 06 & up plate. Upgrade kits ( at least for sure SE) use old style cam with new chain on 02 up(yours). Hope that helps

If you Read my posts, it will tell you exactly what it is, but I will say again, the conversion cams from Andrews uses 07 and up ROLLER CHAINS, and the case end fits the tc88" cam bearings , and the outer fits the 07, and up outer cam plate bushings.

Oct 2, 2015 | 07:30 PM

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Bill I forgot about the secondary chains. So you do need the conversion for all the chains to be roller.

Oct 2, 2015 | 07:59 PM

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I really am trying to help you out on this, and here is my last post on this thread....The ONLY one that I know of that makes Conversion cams is Andrews, SCREAMIN EAGLE DOES NOT. The Conversion cam makes your 88" engine like a 96" engine in the cam chest area with roller chains, and "normal bearings" . The 88" comes with flat stamped link type chains, so there is nothing to stop wear, so they wear down , and cause nasty things in an engine, the 07 and up 96" motor has Roller Chains on the cams , and on the outer chain sprockets, these only wear to rollers.

If you do this upgrade with S&S you won't even have to peek in the cam chest for a minimum 50k miles. I personally have seen bikes that had 80k on the new style chains , and they only have 2 little grooves in the tensioners because of the rollers.
Here are some part numbers of what I did.
S&S Cam plate
Part Number 310-0625
S&S oil Pump part Number 310-0641
The Andrews 21N cams

You will need chains, tensioners (you can buy stock 96" tensioners and chains) OR I went with zippers redshift dual piston tensioners with stock HD chains , and outer sprockets. I believe the sprockets cost around $100.00
I used fueling lifters, and put in koyo torington B-148 inner full complement Cam bearings. You will need some cam shim washers, a snap ring, some O rings ,and gaskets depending on how you deal with push rods.

Don't feel dumb about this either, because when I was thinking about doing it, even a call to S&S they had NO clue how to do this .
Here is a PDF file from Andrews. I still like the S&S plate because it is rebuild able.

/sites/www.andrewsproducts.com/files/assets/Cams_conversion_chain-01.pdf

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So even though S&S makes a cam plate for my year bike but has been revised to only accepts hydraulic tensioners like the 07+ 96" models, doing that and cams for an 88" wont work because I would still have to use my original chain? I need an 07+ cam plate but then I can't use a cam for an 88" motor unless its a conversion cam which means I either have to use SE or Andrews? And if I go with the 07+ cam plate then I need to also purchase new gears to accept the new chain.

Last edited by Bill03E; Nov 8, 2015 at 04:49 PM.

Oct 2, 2015 | 08:08 PM

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The SE kit comes with splined sprockets for roller chain that comes with it. I couldn't use the sprockets & chain on mine with the M&M fuel inj that was on 99-01. Wish I could of used the new roller chain. So I don't think you have to have the conversion cams to use a roller on your bike. But u would if using newer plate.

Andrews does make upgraded roller chain sprockets for MM injection sensors.