The gods really hate you, since the Ebay seller sold the last he had at $500 a pop, and others have already beat you to the Canada game since they are sold out up there as well.
So it looking like either Europe game to find one in stock, or call S&S to see if a dealer still have one in stock that is not listing it on the web/when they are going to get them back in stock.
https://catalog.zodiac.nl/en/catalog...d-for-x-wedge/
Bottom of the page, hence 55-5058.

Hence just played the "try to find one game" the beginning of the year myself, and since it was pretty much a no go with them back ordered in the states (and was not going to give someone $500 for one they had on ebay at the time), why I pulled my apart to just clean and fix it isntead.

So to sum it up, short of working out someone to smuggle one in from abroad/ deal to get it to you in the states, and wanting to ride the bike some time this year/not having to convert to carb, would Hunt down the mechanic that has your old one, so you can pull it apart to fix it isntead.

 

Definitely I'm going after the so called mechanic somehow if not I'm so screwed up.

 

Your mechanic doesn't have it anymore, he sold it on Ebay for $500!

 

Hate to admit it but something like that should have happened.... the guys jus don't answer and I don't know his address as he have always come home to do the work... at $500 for the TPS if I ever foun it or 2k - 2.5k for the MM to Delphi conversion I'm really thinking on doing the Carb Conversion and get over with it.... any tought on that?

Regards

 

My take, if you can't track your PF4C down to get it back to clean it up to put it back in play, then would just pick up a PF3C to run on the bike for now, then pick up a PF4C after everything goes back to normal/everyone goes back to work and they become available again.

It's not like the bike is going to run like total ***** on the PF3C, but will be slightly lean/rich in a few areas on the throttle curve without re-tuning instead.

This will get you through the through the year at least with a running bike, and unless you have a tune on the bike, may not even notice the difference short of slightly change in gas mileage.

Just set up the TPS at .275V fully closed, then .650v at a starting point for cold set idle set screw and you can go back and readjust the cold idle/hot idle setting as the motor is warmed up, gets up to temp for the IAC to fully kick out of play and be on the hot idle screw adjustment alone.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Ducati-...75.c100623.m-1

As for the MM system, it's not that bad once you understand it, and Know how to set it correctly. The problem with the system is its on the older side, being a lost art with the new techs isntead. The fact that Harley stop selling some of the parts like the PF4C TPS, its the reason that some dealers just don't want to work on the MM systems any more instead.

As for going to carb from EFI, it has it advantages, and disadvantageous at the same time. The CV carb is pretty good with altitude changes, but you still have the shut the peacock off thing, as well as pulling the carb every few years to clean,check the accelerator pump parts, making sure that the intake seals are not leaking and maybe having to rebuild the carb due to E10 fuel problems to the diaphragms/rubber parts.
https://cv-performance.com/cv-perfor...tor-fuel-leaks

 

Thanks for your help Dano523 ... I guess for 85 bucks is worth to try and leave the rest as is.... if that does the trick I hope like you said that once all this craziness goes back to "normal" some PF4C's become avialable... will keep you posted.

 

i dought they will be making any more.

I had this saved in case the MM can't handle the big bore I'm doing.
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/ignit...onversion.html

 

ok good news (at least that what I think right now) after a couple of days I just got an answer to my eMail to milwaukeegaskets.com that reads:“Thank you for your email, I am sorry but we are currently out of stock on this item we are expecting more in with in the next two weeks. It has been such a popular item the last two months and with all vendor delays we just ran out. If you can wait for it we will be accepting pre orders and will ship ASAP”

I can manage a couple of weeks and see where we go from there.... anyway if someone has an idea I’ll be taking notes just if it turns out to be it wasn’t the freeging sensor.

 

With the amount of older Harley's abroad on the MM system still, cant see MM/CTS no longer making the PF4C's for that client base at least abroad. Granted that S&S was selling the PF4C since it was being used in their throttle bodies at one point, and they are themselves getting out of the MM game since they stop carrying the VFI ECM replacement as of last year, They have to have at least orders into them in the hundreds right now with just sellers like Partzilla and others back orders on them currently from the states alone.

So maybe it will be no longer S&S the importer/carrier of the PF4C from MM/CTS, but instead someone else picking the MM/CTS line instead

Or if MM/CTS does drop the PF4C completely, may opens up the door for SMC to start producing them isntead. SMC has been caring the Delphiline of replacement TPS for a long time, and If MM/CTS does abandon the PF4C, could open up the door for them to produce the MM/CTS PF4C replacement as well.

Bottom line, propriety MM/CTS part cost a few dollars to produce, still has a huge market demand even in just current back orders world wide, and with it selling for close to $100 right now with S&S the importer/carrier of the part since Harley dropped it themselves, don't see them stupid enough to give up that cash cow part under contract any time soon. If they do as the importer/carrier and its still in production from MM/CTS that prohibited SMP from producing it instead, will bank that someone like MTS-thompson or another reseller picks it up by the end of the year to sell under their labeling isntead. Hence can see CA Cycle works jumping all over that part to resell it under contract, just like they did on the PF3C tps.

Short of that, not hard for someone to come up with a re-flash to correct the tables to use a PF3C instead.

To sum it up, since the right-to-repair legislation went into effect from the farmers and John Deere debacle, manufacturers and propriety companies can no longer hold you hostage over electronic parts, or software needed repairand modify their own consumer electronic devices in the states. So if MM/CTS no longer wants to carrier the part/have someone reselling it under contract in the states, it opens the way for legal replacements means isntead.

 

Partzilla was stating the same for months, and just cancel the order that I had with them on a few to have on hand.

As for the MM system, pretty straight forward if it was the TPS, since you should have been getting the code for it to start with.

But will add, while you are waiting for the sensor to come in, take the time to clean up your wire connectors from the ECM/VFI forward. Hence a lot of times, it not really the sensor a problem but a cracked wire or corroded connector pin the real problem instead.

When I pulled my RK out of storage, it light up codes left and right like the entire big was about to blow up. So starting with the ECM connector using some electrical spray contact cleaner and dielectric grease, and moving outwards, cleaned all the connectors and pins to solve dam near all the codes on the bike (including the engine temp sensor that was just a corroded connector as well). As for my TPS, it would only act up once the motor got hot, hence tension on the swiper arms was weak against the film reisitor strip to start with from age/heat, and swiper arm tension got weaker as the Sensor got hot from sitting so close to the motor (would lose low throttle response). So really, the fix to the sensors, is just a quick clean up, and then tweaking the swiper arms straighter, so they have more tension to the reistor film as the they heat up when the swiper piece is reinstalled. Also, cleaning up the rear O Ring and re-dielectric greasing it, allows the swiper to not stick to the o Ring to keep even swiper pressure to the reisitor film as well.

Trust be told, would state that a good 90% of replaced TPS on the MM EFI bikes, could have been saved with just some cleaning and re-tweaking of the swiper arms. The other 10%, maybe worn out swiper fingers or resitor films it they did last that long from the engine heat to go that kind of distance with the swiper holding tension on the film resitor, or plastic housings got hot/old enough to start cracking isntead. Same goes for the Dephi TPM's as well, since most of the time, easier for the dealer/shop to drop in a new one, then labor costs to clean the old one up.

To add, may be long in the tooth, but do remember a time when Harley owners use to wench on their own bikes as needed.
Now a days, it's mostly lawyers/doctors owner mind-sets of off to the dealer every 5K on bikes out of warrenty to have someone wrench on the bikes isntead.