Stage 2 alter friction zone power?
Stage 2 alter friction zone power?
This is probably a dumb question but Im still early with my HD.
I am looking to do a basic stage 1 and then stage 2 with just cams. Once tuned will this alter the bikes friction zone power?
To be more clear, currently I have a 2023 RKS. When I release the clutch the bike begins to move and obviously I add throttle to continue. My other bike is a 2016 dyna and it on the other hand doesnt do much with just clutch release, throttle is needed to not stall.
I love how the RKS is and I am concerned if I do a stage 2 I may alter things and turn it into how the Dyna is. (I dont know if the Dyna has a stage 2 or not as it was purchased how it is. But it sure sounds like it)
so again sorry for the dumb question. I want a better sounding bike with a bit more power but I dont want to lose my power/control in friction zone.
hopefully this makes sense.
I am looking to do a basic stage 1 and then stage 2 with just cams. Once tuned will this alter the bikes friction zone power?
To be more clear, currently I have a 2023 RKS. When I release the clutch the bike begins to move and obviously I add throttle to continue. My other bike is a 2016 dyna and it on the other hand doesnt do much with just clutch release, throttle is needed to not stall.
I love how the RKS is and I am concerned if I do a stage 2 I may alter things and turn it into how the Dyna is. (I dont know if the Dyna has a stage 2 or not as it was purchased how it is. But it sure sounds like it)
so again sorry for the dumb question. I want a better sounding bike with a bit more power but I dont want to lose my power/control in friction zone.
hopefully this makes sense.
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Granted I have the old non hydraulic clutch but I really saw no difference after my stage 2 install. I haven’t heard anyone with a hydraulic clutch mention issues or differences either. Depending on your cam you have more available torque at given rpm’s so may require a slight learning curve. I have a torque cam (Andrews48) and find improved clutch response when having* to feather the clutch in situations that warrant it.
not sure if that helps but I don’t think you have anything to worry about.
Granted I have the old non hydraulic clutch but I really saw no difference after my stage 2 install. I haven’t heard anyone with a hydraulic clutch mention issues or differences either. Depending on your cam you have more available torque at given rpm’s so may require a slight learning curve. I have a torque cam (Andrews48) and find improved clutch response when having* to feather the clutch in situations that warrant it.
not sure if that helps but I don’t think you have anything to worry about.
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[QUOTE=nightcore;21705012]This is probably a dumb question but I’m still early with my HD.
I am looking to do a basic stage 1 and then stage 2 with just cams. Once tuned will this alter the bikes friction zone power?
To be more clear, currently I have a 2023 RKS. When I release the clutch the bike begins to move and obviously I add throttle to continue. My other bike is a 2016 dyna and it on the other hand doesn’t do much with just clutch release, throttle is needed to not stall.
I love how the RKS is and I am concerned if I do a stage 2 I may alter things and turn it into how the Dyna is. (I don’t know if the Dyna has a stage 2 or not as it was purchased how it is. But it sure sounds like it)
so again sorry for the dumb question. I want a better sounding bike with a bit more power but I don’t want to lose my power/control
If you have a cable clutch you may need to adjust it again.
I am looking to do a basic stage 1 and then stage 2 with just cams. Once tuned will this alter the bikes friction zone power?
To be more clear, currently I have a 2023 RKS. When I release the clutch the bike begins to move and obviously I add throttle to continue. My other bike is a 2016 dyna and it on the other hand doesn’t do much with just clutch release, throttle is needed to not stall.
I love how the RKS is and I am concerned if I do a stage 2 I may alter things and turn it into how the Dyna is. (I don’t know if the Dyna has a stage 2 or not as it was purchased how it is. But it sure sounds like it)
so again sorry for the dumb question. I want a better sounding bike with a bit more power but I don’t want to lose my power/control
If you have a cable clutch you may need to adjust it again.
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If you do a Stage II with a cam focused on torque or general purpose (like the Harley torque cam) what you describe in the friction zone will be similar or even improved. These cams add power at low RPM (and in the case of the Harley torque cam, at mid and high RPM, too). So you won't lose power at idle. In fact, you'll gain power at idle.
I have a 2019 107 M8 with Harley Stage II (torque cam). When I release the clutch slowly without throttle, the bike is happy to move forward. This is useful when backing into a parking spot and making small adjustments. Idle forward a few feet, move the bars, back up again, etc.
I have a 2019 107 M8 with Harley Stage II (torque cam). When I release the clutch slowly without throttle, the bike is happy to move forward. This is useful when backing into a parking spot and making small adjustments. Idle forward a few feet, move the bars, back up again, etc.
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[QUOTE=buell95;21705032]
ITS A 2023!!
This is probably a dumb question but Im still early with my HD.
I am looking to do a basic stage 1 and then stage 2 with just cams. Once tuned will this alter the bikes friction zone power?
To be more clear, currently I have a 2023 RKS. When I release the clutch the bike begins to move and obviously I add throttle to continue. My other bike is a 2016 dyna and it on the other hand doesnt do much with just clutch release, throttle is needed to not stall.
I love how the RKS is and I am concerned if I do a stage 2 I may alter things and turn it into how the Dyna is. (I dont know if the Dyna has a stage 2 or not as it was purchased how it is. But it sure sounds like it)
so again sorry for the dumb question. I want a better sounding bike with a bit more power but I dont want to lose my power/control
If you have a cable clutch you may need to adjust it again.
I am looking to do a basic stage 1 and then stage 2 with just cams. Once tuned will this alter the bikes friction zone power?
To be more clear, currently I have a 2023 RKS. When I release the clutch the bike begins to move and obviously I add throttle to continue. My other bike is a 2016 dyna and it on the other hand doesnt do much with just clutch release, throttle is needed to not stall.
I love how the RKS is and I am concerned if I do a stage 2 I may alter things and turn it into how the Dyna is. (I dont know if the Dyna has a stage 2 or not as it was purchased how it is. But it sure sounds like it)
so again sorry for the dumb question. I want a better sounding bike with a bit more power but I dont want to lose my power/control
If you have a cable clutch you may need to adjust it again.
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If you do a Stage II with a cam focused on torque or general purpose (like the Harley torque cam) what you describe in the friction zone will be similar or even improved. These cams add power at low RPM (and in the case of the Harley torque cam, at mid and high RPM, too). So you won't lose power at idle. In fact, you'll gain power at idle.
I have a 2019 107 M8 with Harley Stage II (torque cam). When I release the clutch slowly without throttle, the bike is happy to move forward. This is useful when backing into a parking spot and making small adjustments. Idle forward a few feet, move the bars, back up again, etc.
I have a 2019 107 M8 with Harley Stage II (torque cam). When I release the clutch slowly without throttle, the bike is happy to move forward. This is useful when backing into a parking spot and making small adjustments. Idle forward a few feet, move the bars, back up again, etc.
When I installed the cam I felt I had more and a more even application fo torque in the friction zone
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