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Sorry about that. I don’t know what happened. When I clicked on it, it goes to eBay. Here’s a working link.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/36492231829...xoCl7IQAvD_BwE
https://www.ebay.com/itm/36492231829...xoCl7IQAvD_BwE
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Clymer manual is mostly good for starting fires.
Codes list is easy to find FM and others have many of them posted. Tuners like PV give a brief description of some codes Some codes are pretty generic and cover many years others are added over time.
The code will not appear on it's own you have to bring it up. The Red security light and or Check engine light indicates a code.
Some codes are current others maybe historic.
Freak codes that come up will go historic and a few starts but may linger in history with no ill effects.
Historic code can be an older one just near cleared or a freak one that popped up. Example cold morning bike did not start right way can some time trigger a meaningless code or two.
Quick example of a triggered historic code. Spin rear tire with front barely moving. A VSS code will post. Vehicle speed sensor. Because front and read tire speeds do not match. The code will go historic. However it could also trigger an ABS code also that to would go historic once you quit fouling around on Golf course wet grass.
Codes list is easy to find FM and others have many of them posted. Tuners like PV give a brief description of some codes Some codes are pretty generic and cover many years others are added over time.
The code will not appear on it's own you have to bring it up. The Red security light and or Check engine light indicates a code.
Some codes are current others maybe historic.
Freak codes that come up will go historic and a few starts but may linger in history with no ill effects.
Historic code can be an older one just near cleared or a freak one that popped up. Example cold morning bike did not start right way can some time trigger a meaningless code or two.
Quick example of a triggered historic code. Spin rear tire with front barely moving. A VSS code will post. Vehicle speed sensor. Because front and read tire speeds do not match. The code will go historic. However it could also trigger an ABS code also that to would go historic once you quit fouling around on Golf course wet grass.
That sounds to me like a code that came up at some point and just stayed in the system.
Don't they go away once you fix the problem?
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Manual is another tool. Right tools save time and money. It does not take long to recover the upfront cost.
Purchased a couple tools needed to work on HD 750/500 Streets. Saved a few people a long down time and cash.
The Centurion I purchased paid for it's self over time.
Purchased a couple tools needed to work on HD 750/500 Streets. Saved a few people a long down time and cash.
The Centurion I purchased paid for it's self over time.
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That's what you said about the first one.
Hackers and viruses are everywhere!!
Can't be too careful these days!
Tx!
Hackers and viruses are everywhere!!
Can't be too careful these days!
Tx!
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Ok......went to the site.
Sorry if I was suspicious man!
I've been burned in the past with "well meaning" people sending links!
Fishing and photography huh.
2 of my many passions.
Throw in some blues guitar!
Sorry if I was suspicious man!
I've been burned in the past with "well meaning" people sending links!
Fishing and photography huh.
2 of my many passions.
Throw in some blues guitar!
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I can't speak for smitty901, but.....
I don't like or trust the Clymer manual, or any manual other than an HD Factory Service manual. The factory manuals are not cheap, but I have one for each bike year/model I own. I won't work on my bike without one.
The ECM will warn of both Historic codes and Current codes in a different way, but to answer your question, you will have a check engine light to warn of a code. Not every issue throws a code. If you have a loose battery cable or other electrical glitch, you can get random false codes. However, checking for codes is always a good place to start when diagnosing an issue.
Here is a tutorial along with the various diagnostic codes.
https://www.fuelmotousa.com/p-29661-...2FFLT%20MODELS
I don't like or trust the Clymer manual, or any manual other than an HD Factory Service manual. The factory manuals are not cheap, but I have one for each bike year/model I own. I won't work on my bike without one.
The ECM will warn of both Historic codes and Current codes in a different way, but to answer your question, you will have a check engine light to warn of a code. Not every issue throws a code. If you have a loose battery cable or other electrical glitch, you can get random false codes. However, checking for codes is always a good place to start when diagnosing an issue.
Here is a tutorial along with the various diagnostic codes.
https://www.fuelmotousa.com/p-29661-...2FFLT%20MODELS
There sure are a lot of codes!!!
Jeez........makes me appreciate my shovelhead's simplicity!!
Ignorance is bliss right!
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The HD Factory Service Manual for 2010 Touring bikes is part #99483-10.
You can get it new, from a dealer for $149.95.
You can buy both new & used on eBay. Be aware, there are some on eBay selling both used and new HD Factory manuals for more than you can get them new...
here's one used on for sale now:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/20473491934...BoCnNQQAvD_BwE
I always get all three manuals for any HD bike I buy, as I do all my own service and repairs..
I get a Factory Service Manual, Parts Catalog (which is available now online), and the Electrical Diagnostic Manual. I use all three at one time or another. The service manual gets used the most. The parts catalog helps with part numbers and I use the exploded diagrams as I am a visual learner. The electrical manual gets used the least, but is worth its weight in gold when needed.
I tend to keep my bikes for a long time. The investment is worth it for me. I then keep the manuals as I sell the bikes to have reference material. Working on my bikes, and sometimes for close friends, is my retirement hobby....
You can get it new, from a dealer for $149.95.
You can buy both new & used on eBay. Be aware, there are some on eBay selling both used and new HD Factory manuals for more than you can get them new...
here's one used on for sale now:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/20473491934...BoCnNQQAvD_BwE
I always get all three manuals for any HD bike I buy, as I do all my own service and repairs..
I get a Factory Service Manual, Parts Catalog (which is available now online), and the Electrical Diagnostic Manual. I use all three at one time or another. The service manual gets used the most. The parts catalog helps with part numbers and I use the exploded diagrams as I am a visual learner. The electrical manual gets used the least, but is worth its weight in gold when needed.
I tend to keep my bikes for a long time. The investment is worth it for me. I then keep the manuals as I sell the bikes to have reference material. Working on my bikes, and sometimes for close friends, is my retirement hobby....
Impressive collection!
You have a small fortune wrapped up in those.
But I'm sure they've saved you a ton in the long run.
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A historic code is when an issue (or glitch) caused the ECM to throw a code. Once the code is thrown and the issue is corrected , it will show as a historic code. It stays in the ECM showing as a historic code until the code is cleared, or the bike has gone through a certain number of "cycles". After the bike goes through a certain number of "cycles" without throwing that same code, it will clear itself. I forget how many "cycles" it takes, and what exactly counts as a "cycle". It's in the electronic diagnostic manual....
Obviously, an active code will always show. Even if you clear it, it will come back.
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A historic code is when an issue (or glitch) caused the ECM to throw a code. Once the code is thrown and the issue is corrected , it will show as a historic code. It stays in the ECM showing as a historic code until the code is cleared, or the bike has gone through a certain number of "cycles". After the bike goes through a certain number of "cycles" without throwing that same code, it will clear itself. I forget how many "cycles" it takes, and what exactly counts as a "cycle". It's in the electronic diagnostic manual....
Obviously, an active code will always show. Even if you clear it, it will come back.
Obviously, an active code will always show. Even if you clear it, it will come back.
Oh yeah.......is the a little "H" next to yhe code to show its historic?
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