dyno tune advice needed
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From: ID ho
RE: dyno tune advice needed
ORIGINAL: rochkes
oh yeah........ I meant to show some more of my ignorance by asking what is a FBY bagger? I get the bagger part, but FBY?
Dennis
oh yeah........ I meant to show some more of my ignorance by asking what is a FBY bagger? I get the bagger part, but FBY?
Dennis
With the parts you listed, tuned right you should see about 85 HP and 95-100 TQ
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RE: dyno tune advice needed
ORIGINAL: hogdoc
Jinks, your bass ackwards there my friend, to get the higher #'s you run it lean to make more power not rich.
And yes a GOOD tuner will get every last ounce of HP & TQ......... at WOT and thats what WOT is for. Thats what YOU guys ALWAYS WANT, BIG #'S. But there is also 0,2,5,7,10,15,20,25,30,40,60, and 80% throttle settings that get tuned for all riding conditions. You will get poor gas mileage when you first get your bike back from us becuase your gonna be so happy with the way it runs youll be on the throttle all the time.
ORIGINAL: Jinks
Most of the time it won't make a difference what you tell the tech. The majority of them tune for power. They feel that if you're on a dyno you're lookin' for every last ounce of horsepower & pound of torque. That usually results in a rich mixture that'll give you those big numbers & moderate to poor gas mileage.
Most of the time it won't make a difference what you tell the tech. The majority of them tune for power. They feel that if you're on a dyno you're lookin' for every last ounce of horsepower & pound of torque. That usually results in a rich mixture that'll give you those big numbers & moderate to poor gas mileage.
And yes a GOOD tuner will get every last ounce of HP & TQ......... at WOT and thats what WOT is for. Thats what YOU guys ALWAYS WANT, BIG #'S. But there is also 0,2,5,7,10,15,20,25,30,40,60, and 80% throttle settings that get tuned for all riding conditions. You will get poor gas mileage when you first get your bike back from us becuase your gonna be so happy with the way it runs youll be on the throttle all the time.
Personally, I think dyno's are an unnecessary expense for street tuned bikes unless you're trying to fix a particular problem & know a really good tech. As others here have attested, a poor tuner can do as much harm as good.
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RE: dyno tune advice needed
once again guys, you are helping me not only make up my mind what I am going to do, but you are helpin me feel confident that I actually know what I want.
As far as my tuner being a good one, your guess is a good as mine. The guys at Legacy HD in Effingham are treating me like a friend because I have dropped between 40 & 50K in their store in the last3 years or so, but I haven't been able to talk to anyone who has actually had their bike tuned by them.
That being said, since I am very pleased with the way the bike runs, I think I'll just have them do a dyno pull with me being present just so I can have some fun and learn something new. I see no need to change anything unless the tech tells me he is sure he can pull more hp and tq and still have the bike running right.
Would any of you be concerned about the puff of smoke on start-up that I described earlier? All the Harleys I have been around before have been stock and I have never saw this on any of them.
Dennis
As far as my tuner being a good one, your guess is a good as mine. The guys at Legacy HD in Effingham are treating me like a friend because I have dropped between 40 & 50K in their store in the last3 years or so, but I haven't been able to talk to anyone who has actually had their bike tuned by them.
That being said, since I am very pleased with the way the bike runs, I think I'll just have them do a dyno pull with me being present just so I can have some fun and learn something new. I see no need to change anything unless the tech tells me he is sure he can pull more hp and tq and still have the bike running right.
Would any of you be concerned about the puff of smoke on start-up that I described earlier? All the Harleys I have been around before have been stock and I have never saw this on any of them.
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RE: dyno tune advice needed
Sounds like a good sensable approach, particularly if the tech will work with you. As for the black smoke, yeah it's probably gas. Fuel injection pushes some gas to get started with. Your tech may be able to adjust that in the SERT. I wouldn't be concerned as long as it doesn't do it every time you blip it from idle, or your plugs aren't black.
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From: ID ho
RE: dyno tune advice needed
ORIGINAL: Jinks
Notice that I didn't say "the good tuners", I said the majority. You're right about "lean bein' mean", but that wasn't my point. Neither you or I know his tuner, but it sounds like he *might* have a good one. You're also right in that *most* people that put their bikes on a dyno want big #'s. Puts you tech's in a tough spot unless your management encourages you to take the time to talk with the customer. Even then there are more people that think race track numbers are the way to go with a street bike than there are people that understand the difference.
Personally, I think dyno's are an unnecessary expense for street tuned bikes unless you're trying to fix a particular problem & know a really good tech. As others here have attested, a poor tuner can do as much harm as good.
ORIGINAL: hogdoc
Jinks, your bass ackwards there my friend, to get the higher #'s you run it lean to make more power not rich.
And yes a GOOD tuner will get every last ounce of HP & TQ......... at WOT and thats what WOT is for. Thats what YOU guys ALWAYS WANT, BIG #'S. But there is also 0,2,5,7,10,15,20,25,30,40,60, and 80% throttle settings that get tuned for all riding conditions. You will get poor gas mileage when you first get your bike back from us becuase your gonna be so happy with the way it runs youll be on the throttle all the time.
ORIGINAL: Jinks
Most of the time it won't make a difference what you tell the tech. The majority of them tune for power. They feel that if you're on a dyno you're lookin' for every last ounce of horsepower & pound of torque. That usually results in a rich mixture that'll give you those big numbers & moderate to poor gas mileage.
Most of the time it won't make a difference what you tell the tech. The majority of them tune for power. They feel that if you're on a dyno you're lookin' for every last ounce of horsepower & pound of torque. That usually results in a rich mixture that'll give you those big numbers & moderate to poor gas mileage.
And yes a GOOD tuner will get every last ounce of HP & TQ......... at WOT and thats what WOT is for. Thats what YOU guys ALWAYS WANT, BIG #'S. But there is also 0,2,5,7,10,15,20,25,30,40,60, and 80% throttle settings that get tuned for all riding conditions. You will get poor gas mileage when you first get your bike back from us becuase your gonna be so happy with the way it runs youll be on the throttle all the time.
Personally, I think dyno's are an unnecessary expense for street tuned bikes unless you're trying to fix a particular problem & know a really good tech. As others here have attested, a poor tuner can do as much harm as good.
Yes a poor tuner can make your bike run worse than it did before. Thats why you dont just drop it off at Joe Shmoes Dyno Emporium to spendthe extra money thats burning a hole in your pocket. Do some research and find a good tuner. He may not be next door, he may be hundreds of miles away, hell he mabe even in the next state. But a good tuner is worth his wieght in gold when you find US. BTW Iam 250#'s so save up!
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RE: dyno tune advice needed
The black smoke is from the enrichment of the motor on start-up. The SERT has differnt values for a/f ratio while the engine is heating up. Like Jinks said as long as it is not doing it once it is warmed up. The black smoke usually indicates a rich condition. Mine does it as well.
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RE: dyno tune advice needed
ORIGINAL: hogdoc
But a good tuner is worth his wieght in gold when you find US. BTW Iam 250#'s so save up!
But a good tuner is worth his wieght in gold when you find US. BTW Iam 250#'s so save up!
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From: ID ho
RE: dyno tune advice needed
ORIGINAL: Jinks
Damn! You must be *GOOD*!.............8^)
ORIGINAL: hogdoc
But a good tuner is worth his wieght in gold when you find US. BTW Iam 250#'s so save up!
But a good tuner is worth his wieght in gold when you find US. BTW Iam 250#'s so save up!
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