Enough is enough!!!
Road Master
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From: Log home in SE Michigan full time. Log cabin in east TN, Smoky Mountians part time
RE: Enough is enough!!!
Coal..... virturaly every state has it, just need a cost effective way to mine it, we are what #3 in theWORLD in coal ? We have plenty of Natural gas, propane , gasoline and diesel all from our own coal,the hell with bio fuel, grain e85. Neuclar power is by far the cheapest form of energy we could produce, yet the tree huggers some how have more power than anyone with commonthoughts. Georgy porgie said the other day it was MY fault we are in a ecomomic slow down.... as a builder, we built to many homes. What the hell would he know ofthe word "work" any way. Sorry to jump on your rant but I am with you. My diesel pick up cost me 3.74 a gal to fill up today here in Michigan, the second highest unemployment state in the union. Bastards.[:@]
Road Warrior
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RE: Enough is enough!!!
I paid $3.58 today for diesel. The new diesel supposedly takes more refining processes to make because it is ultra low sulfer diesel. When I bought my first diesel I paid the premium for the diesel motor to get the better fuel mileage and to get the cheaper fuel. Now I have a 2008 Ford f250 diesel and it gets terrible mileage due to all the emission garbage they've added to it. I traded in a f250 with 200k miles on it that got 21 mpg and the new truck barely gets 13mpg. Not to mention that diesel is over fifty cents higher a gallon. On my next truck I'll buy a 3/4ton gasser. It just doesn't make much sense to purchase a diesel again for me.
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RE: Enough is enough!!!
The best, and PERMANENT solution to all this robbery is found right here in the US! Gasoline and Diesel is easily made from coal, and the US IS the Saudi Arabia of Coal. We are #1 in KNOWN Coal reserves in the world. Coal gasification is not something new. The Germans used it to run the Luftwaffe during WW2! United Coal Company built a pilot plant for this process in Bristol Tennessee during the last Oil fiasco. The fuel proved to be better than Oil based fuel, but Clinton's EPA forced a shutdown and prevented full implementation after the research period, not because of the fuel quality, but because of enviromental damage from mining the coal, and get this, IT WAS PROFITABLE AT A $40 A BARREL OIL EQUIVALENT PRICE!!!!! I ran 2 Detroit Diesel powered Kenworths on this fuel for 2 years with no problems at all as part of the demonstration project. It's plain to me at least that big oil and their political ****** in DC don't want a solution, only the issues that these sky high oil prices force on our citizens.
Road Master
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From: SW Florida
RE: Enough is enough!!!
ORIGINAL: Nuts
Let's not forget the Exxon posted a record year in 2007 with some 30 Billion in profit! What do you expect when people keep electing rich people to congress. Elect a blue collar worker who has had to work pay-check to pay-check before and decide rather to pay the electric bill or the house payment.
Let's not forget the Exxon posted a record year in 2007 with some 30 Billion in profit! What do you expect when people keep electing rich people to congress. Elect a blue collar worker who has had to work pay-check to pay-check before and decide rather to pay the electric bill or the house payment.
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From: New England
RE: Enough is enough!!!
ORIGINAL: rockdoc
...Exxon posted record profits last year and is in courts whining about how high the punitive damages were for the Valdez fiasco.
...Exxon posted record profits last year and is in courts whining about how high the punitive damages were for the Valdez fiasco.
Road Captain
Joined: Sep 2007
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From: Billings, Montana
RE: Enough is enough!!!
Amen diesel is 3.49 a gallon here and we have three refineries here. Speculators love to produce horror stories in order to jack up the prices. They always go up up because of some lame reason but never go down when that doesn't happen. They won't be happy until we are paying the same as the ret of the world. Anyone buiding a fuel cell for their Harley?
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From: Southeast Louisiana
RE: Enough is enough!!!
ORIGINAL: dw2169
Amen diesel is 3.49 a gallon here and we have three refineries here. Speculators love to produce horror stories in order to jack up the prices. They always go up up because of some lame reason but never go down when that doesn't happen. They won't be happy until we are paying the same as the ret of the world. Anyone buiding a fuel cell for their Harley?
Amen diesel is 3.49 a gallon here and we have three refineries here. Speculators love to produce horror stories in order to jack up the prices. They always go up up because of some lame reason but never go down when that doesn't happen. They won't be happy until we are paying the same as the ret of the world. Anyone buiding a fuel cell for their Harley?
Road Master
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From: Auburn, Indiana
RE: Enough is enough!!!
ORIGINAL: Ram
Think gas is bad, just wait.... the cost of clean drinkable water is soon to follow.
Think gas is bad, just wait.... the cost of clean drinkable water is soon to follow.
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Tourer
Joined: Jul 2006
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From: Washington
RE: Enough is enough!!!
Actually, my employer forbids me to own any interest in any mineral or oil-related company doing business on US-owned lands, which Exxon clearly falls. So, I could care less about Exxon's bottom line. I just wish they would step up to the plate and help the people of Cordova and Valdez whose lives they completely f*ucked up.
ORIGINAL: Pine Tree
Please keep in mind that many of those profits go to the stockholders. And many of those stockholders are pension management funds. My pension (and maybe yours too) comes from there. For my sake (and maybe yours too), I hope these companies continue to report profits and not loses.
ORIGINAL: rockdoc
...Exxon posted record profits last year and is in courts whining about how high the punitive damages were for the Valdez fiasco.
...Exxon posted record profits last year and is in courts whining about how high the punitive damages were for the Valdez fiasco.
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From: Indy
RE: Enough is enough!!!
My nephiew is an engineering student at Perdue University ,and he is working on a fuel cell ,he is using an old shovel for now, he can not tell me how it is going though.
ORIGINAL: dw2169
Amen diesel is 3.49 a gallon here and we have three refineries here. Speculators love to produce horror stories in order to jack up the prices. They always go up up because of some lame reason but never go down when that doesn't happen. They won't be happy until we are paying the same as the ret of the world. Anyone buiding a fuel cell for their Harley?
Amen diesel is 3.49 a gallon here and we have three refineries here. Speculators love to produce horror stories in order to jack up the prices. They always go up up because of some lame reason but never go down when that doesn't happen. They won't be happy until we are paying the same as the ret of the world. Anyone buiding a fuel cell for their Harley?