Well Phil, after talking with you today I can seeor hear the distress in your voice at a failed attempt of getting any suds from your ride, so after a breif consideration I will take that weak thing from you and suffer for you.[sm=goodidea.gif]Dude I ain't never seen anything like that, thats awesome, have fun and see ya in Bristol.

 

95 ft lbs TQ at 2000 rpms to peak of 108 ft lbs. Pulls like a freight train up hills fully loaded, great winding country road bike, cruises interstate long hours, especially reliable running long distance summer tours. The engine doesn't ping, starts easily - no compression releases!

RED LINE 11/9/06 - 98 Cubic Inches
2002 Road King (EFI)
Revolution Performance 98" Cylinders
CP Flat Top Pistons
Baisley Reworked Stock Heads (84cc)
(9.48:1 CR) (9.02:1 Corrected CR)
0.040" Head Gasket
JM20G cam (Intake close 31)
Horsepower Inc 48mm TB
Doherty PowerPacc Air Cleaner
RB Racing LSR 2-1
3.37 final gear ratio
Dyno Jet PCIII USB


BLUE LINE 1/9/06 - 95 Cubic Inches
2002 Road King (EFI)
9:45 Static CR - 9:0:1 Corrected CR
Baisley reworked heads (84cc) (1.90" Intake / 1.630" Exhaust)
.030" head gasket
KB 348/95" flat top pistons
JM20G
RB Racing LSR 2-1
Doherty PowerPacc Air Cleaner
Stock 44 mm TB
3.37 final gear ratio
HD Stage 2 ECM download
Dyno Jet PCIII USB

 

Kelvin,

Why the HD download? In case the PCIII goes bellyup?

Joe

 

Joe,

I had the Stage II ECM download since 2002 when I went 95" inch. I went with this download for the timing changes appropriate for HD 95" / 203 cam builds. As a result, I've never experienced pinging under any load or condition when I ran the TW21G, the TW26G or in my present build. I had considered a HD ECM reflash back to the Stage I download, but after researching the differences between the HD Stage I, II ECM downloads I came to the conclusion to stay with the Stage II for the timing changes.

Some additional info I found on Stage II ECM downloads.

Mike at Team Latus: Response to question; Is an ECM download required even though a Power Commander is installed?

Chris, perhaps in an effort to give you the best possible and most correct product we may have been overly enthusiastic with respect to the cartridge re-calibration. It is our policy to STRONGLY recommend a calibration, in modified bikes utilizing Power Commanders, which brings the ECM as close as possible to the performance combination installed. The reasons for this are;

The values in the PC mapping will not be as large or as likely to hit limits. Very large values or transitions (between cells) can lead to drivability issues. As a “piggy back” device, it starts with the ECM values which it must then modify to be correct for the bike combination. The less appropriate the base ECM, the larger these modifiers must be.

Should the PC fail (rare these days), the bike would be in a rideable condition vs. putting it on a trailer. The risk being a very lean or other condition which could lead to motor damage or failure, when the PC is not actively modifying the base ECM. We wish our customers to be aware of this risk and the additional $150.00 expense is good insurance for this protection.

From a strictly technical standpoint, we feel this is the correct approach and results in a better overall tune. The base ECM offsets, tuning constants, spark tables, VE tables, warmup enrichment and other tables will be more effective with a base cal. that is closer to the combination to be tuned. There are a lot of tables in the base ECM which the PC does not address.

We recognize that Dynojet and others advise that the re-calibration is not required and that the PC is capable of tuning from a stock calibration. This is true and we would (and do) tune PC equipped bikes with stock or stg1 cals., so long as customers are advised of the above recommendation and are therefore making an informed decision. It would be remiss of us NOT to inform customers of this risk as they often rely upon us to be “the experts” and to give them what information we have that may affect their motorcycle. We stand by our reputation in this field, will continue to have these discussions with our customers thus allowing our customers to be the most informed and knowledgeable about their bikes and related decisions. This letter will be given to our staff so that, in the future, our customer conversations will be consistent. Your letter will be cc’d to our service manager, Fred King.

Regards, Mike

From GROCK of VTwin Forum

Timing is also changed from stock when doing the download. Depending on cams it can be very gentle to a little more aggressive for some of the HP maps. But none of them are really aggressive. If you are thinking of getting the flash to get the REV limiter up, then you will benefit slightly from timing change also. Although I am never a big fan of the $150 for the dealer flash, especially for the change into a mild 26 cam, going to a 95" gets a little better throttle response and high end running with the flash. You also get slightly different parameters for idle, starting, etc., as the ECU is now adjusted for a 95" and adjusts tables accordingly.


Miscellaneous forum info regarding HD ECM do

 

Thanks Kelvin!

I am not experiencing any ill effects that I notice, and I am currently using 87 octane gas. IIRC, I should check my spark plugs for any detonation issues - is this what you have heard or recommend?

I do know that Will at Devil Dawg Custom Cycles adjusted my timing curves.

As usual, thanks for all the info.

Joe

 

Hello all,new here on the forum,have a 08 street glide,did a 103,screamin eagle heads,se 588 cams i belive.58mm throttle body,big injectors,10/5 to 1 pistons,did a dyno at brandon harley and with rinehart duals 109hp and 117 torque rear wheel,switchin over to VH pro pipe said i should gain a little more

 

Hello All...07 Ultra. se/ac,supertrapps s/e's, stock header pipe. 103 kit w/255 cams from hd.The AFR looks lean to me from what others have posted but mileage is mid to low 40's. 86 hp/105tq. Was told by the GM that in 6 gear I could get 4 more hp & tq. the dyno run was done in 5 gear. There not able to do 6 gear runs. I'm not sure if the 6 gear is true or not but in 6 the bike pulls & runs great.As well as 1/5. Very Happy.

 

Anyone looking for some info here... I have an 08 Street Glide and just put Vance and Hines True Duels ceramic coated black pipes on it, a SERT, and a SE Air cleaner. I had it Dynoed to get everything on it and my base numbers stock were Max Power 61.70 and Max Torque 78.52. Now with all mods on it Max Power went to 64.35 and Max Torque DROPPED to 77.34. I LOST Torque? Is this normal? Are my results normal?
Also, I just noticed that the Sh$thead that worked on it and put the pipe on it didnt attach the O2 sensor coming from the rear cylinder. Would this cause a problem in power/torque drop? I rode the bike home like this, would not having th O2 sensor on cause a problem? Should i get it retuned? Please Help with info... Joe
PS
You can e mail me at jpscscs@aol.com with any help, Thanks

 

I'm really glad to see this topic. I had been wondering how my mods and runs compared. I just had new straight fishtail pipes installed and had a dyno tune. I have no and I mean NO low end torque below 28k rpm. Wandering if this can be tuned out orcould it be the pipes.
The numbers for my 02 95 build with SE flat top pistons, Andrews 255 cams, HQ heads, and straight pipes are 87.6 HP and 93.5 Torque.
I thought that was a little low on both ends. Runs great once I get it goin but at low speed it sucks.
Thank you for this forum topic.

 

Will post sheet tomorrow had bike dynoed in Myrtle 121 hp 130 tq