PCV and EITMS not compatible?

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Jun 15, 2009 | 03:25 PM

#121

Hammer107

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Originally Posted by newdep332

Please re-read my post I was not talking about you I was talking about the manufactuer.....I simply stated that I thought you stood behind the product no questions asked.

I have purchased from you in the past and had nothing but good service; however, I AM tired of the end user getting dumped on. So if my ONE comment will push you to leave I guess do what you gotta do!

I think we all would vote that YOU leave before Fuel Moto does.

Jun 15, 2009 | 03:36 PM

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kingkingking

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Originally Posted by papifun

If you disable the EITMS, can it over heat and damage engine ? is there a over temp safety on the Vtwin ?

IS there any damage to throttle body if get the PUFF of black smoke often ?

EITMS is about rider comfort. She will get hotter with the rear cyl firing but it wont damage the engine.

Smoke out the throttle body isnt good. You will get a coating of soot on the bore, injectors, butterfly etc. In extreme cases the soot could impede operation. If I was you i would disable EITMS until it gets sorted.

Jun 15, 2009 | 03:54 PM

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fuelmoto

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I agree, if you are having a problem to turn the EITMS off. Also note that on the 08-09 bike it does not shut off the rear cylinder, it skip fires both cylinders by delivering a sequentially controlled misfire.

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Jun 15, 2009 | 04:34 PM

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bobernet

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Originally Posted by fuelmoto

from has been reported and what we have tested here (including on our 09 bike) we have been able to make the bike stall on a completely stock bike, as well as with the PC-V installed so we cannot blame the Power Commander on this.

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reply from fuel moto:

Hello, we have not seen any issues with EITMS (including on my personal 09 that I ride everyday) The only issue was where users were were trying to use the Auto Tune to adjust the idle which is incorrect.

These two don't jive.

Also, I swapped mufflers and AC about a week before doing the PCV install, so I have direct before/after experience with no change other than installing the PCV. Remove PCV, no problem, install PCV problem as reported.

Jamie, can you elaborate of how you've seen it stall on a stock bike without a PCV? This failure (with the PCV) is easy for me to reproduce just sitting in my garage. I can go home tonight and do some more empirical testing to prove that 20x out of 20 it works stock, and 15x out of 20 it fails with the PCV.

By the way - don't take any of this as Fuelmoto criticism. I realize you don't manufacture the PCV or code the firmware.

Planning to order an AT from you all this week.

Thanks,
Bob

Jun 15, 2009 | 05:46 PM

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fuelmoto

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From: Little Chute, WI

While I cannot speak for your bike as I have not seen it (and I do not recommend getting your bike up to these sustained temps while sitting stationary to test this) I can only draw my analysis from the many PC-V equipped bikes we have tested and tuned here including our 09 that I ride everyday. It is simply a fact of my testing that when in skip fire mode that I can make our 09 bike snub out completely stock as well as with the PC installed. I have tested this several times with and without the TechnoResearch Centurion diagnostic software and data recording software with which I could not come to a further conclusion as to its direct cause. If I have further info I will post it.

Jun 15, 2009 | 06:47 PM

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papifun

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[QUOTE=kingkingking;5141163]EITMS is about rider comfort. She will get hotter with the rear cyl firing but it wont damage the engine.

Smoke out the throttle body isnt good. You will get a coating of soot on the bore, injectors, butterfly etc. In extreme cases the soot could impede operation. If I was you i would disable EITMS until it gets sorted.[/QUOT

thanks KKK,,, Jamie sent me a new Map to try today. ill give it a try next time i ride..
BTW - i removed my HD SE AC filter and yes - there was black soot in the 90Deg elbow. i just wiped it off.. im wondering if i should remove whole AC assy and clean it out ? any suggestions ? My AC now doesnt have the nice pinkish color anymore. its black on top.. i have disabled EITMS for now untill i load the new Map.
Thanks Jamie for your quick reply... ure support after sales is great...ill let you know my outcome.

Jun 15, 2009 | 07:12 PM

#127

JollyRogers

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From: Near Richmond VA.

My stock bike stumbled Friday when in heavy traffic after the EITMS engaged. It didn't like throttle blipping at all but would work fine if I gave gas then clutch... I ordered a PCV from Jamie/Kieth today...

Jun 16, 2009 | 09:36 PM

#128

RickyB

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This happend to me last weekend in austin for ROT, i have a later 08 model and have the PC V. I also had black smoke blow out!

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Jun 16, 2009 | 09:40 PM

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newdep332

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Originally Posted by Hammer107

I think we all would vote that YOU leave before Fuel Moto does.

Re Read the entire post and then get over it!

Jun 17, 2009 | 04:25 AM

#130

kingkingking

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thanks KKK,,, Jamie sent me a new Map to try today. ill give it a try next time i ride..
BTW - i removed my HD SE AC filter and yes - there was black soot in the 90Deg elbow. i just wiped it off.. im wondering if i should remove whole AC assy and clean it out ? any suggestions ? My AC now doesnt have the nice pinkish color anymore. its black on top.. i have disabled EITMS for now untill i load the new Map.
Thanks Jamie for your quick reply... ure support after sales is great...ill let you know my outcome.[/quote]

I would clean out the soot if it was my bike. It probably wont make any difference but I wouldnt take the chance. Get a bit of carby cleaner and give her a squirt.

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