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From what I understand the PCV is just the new version of the PCIII. I was at his shop while he was tuning and trying to find maps for the PCV and it appears that you can use either one. There may be some tuning capabilities that one offers over the other that I am not aware.
I had a PCIII Power Commander, Samson Rolled Thunder mufflers, and Ness air cleaner installed on my 07 Road King Custom at a custom bike $$hop. They ran it on their dyno to get it "dialed in". It had plenty of power but my gas mileage went into the toilet, the bike still pinged when riding up hills in warm weather, and my mufflers blued. Even after taking it back and complaining about it. About 4 months later I took it off. Went to the HD dealer got a stage 1 download, put the stock aircleaner back on and bought Screamin Eagle mufflers. Runs OK now. It went from about 33 mpg with the Power Commander to over 45 highway. Pinging problem is gone, but I still would like just a little more power. I was really disapointed in the Power Commander.
Is it possible to have an increase in power without killing the mileage??? Or your wallet???
Thanks....Just venting.
i just got a pc-v for my 08 streetglide, got it from the fuelmoto guys, and the customer support is tremendous, i'm very impressed, the bike is still runnin a bit rich, or feels like the motor is runnin in "drunk mode", but i'm confident that the new map that keith emailed to me right after i called him will remedy the situation. they do have the 08 retrofit maps for the pcv, and it's much smaller physically than the pcIII, and with the 08 touring that's a real bonus as space is very limited for mounting and the pcV sure fits in there sweet... just my nickels worth, but the fuelmoto guys sure seem like they are pros
Power Cammander doesn't have any MAPS for the 08 touring bike, so that leaves that one out.
As was previously mentioned but worth repeating, Fuel Moto has very good maps for '02-'08 bikes as well as "retrofit" kits to make the PCV fit the older models.
The PCV is preferable to the PCIII because it is smaller, has more features, has a 15% TP table column in the map software (very helpful), can be fitted with a map switch without adding a $150 multifunction hub, and can be upgraded to Auto-Tune later if desired.
Thundermax - you still need a base map for it work correctly
Not only that but you need a close base map to work with. The PCV-AT can auto-tune with any base map, even one that's nowhere near perfect for the bike's installed hardware.
PCIII/PCV - You can get a canned map from Fuel Moto which is pretty close and will probably work well or you can get a dyno tune and tuners of these are easier to find.
Fuel Moto's maps are better than "very close." When I installed my AT the trim table showed very little change over Fuel Moto's original base map, and that attests to its accuracy. You do not need a dyno tune with a Fuel Moto base map, and if you did tune after the fact the big variable would be the competence of the tuner you select.
I purchased a close loop PC for my 06 and it was off to the dyno everytime something wasn't working properly. I fix one problem and another proplem would pop up.
DynoJet didn't even make a closed-loop PC prior to the introduction of the PCV-AT in Jan. '09. If you're referring to an open-loop PCIII it is true that you will need a dyno tune or a good canned map (e.g. Fuel Moto) for each modification (cams, etc.). The PCV-AT does not require them and is a true auto-tune unit. It also has many more features than the T-Max and utilizes not only the full-capacity of the stock MAP sensor but the stock knock-sensor as well. The T-Max does not have a knock-sensor function unless they've added it to the unit designed for the newer TBW models.
Now the cost is a little less than $1000.00 but the support you get with it is worth much more, these guy will talk you through any problem you may think you have.
The PCV-AT costs $600 from Fuel Moto whose support is second to none, as evidenced by the testimonials on this forum. Why would you want to pay more for a unit that has no full-MAP functionality, no knock sensor, and cannot adapt to base maps that aren't very close to the ultimate map values? The PCV-AT can adapt to any map you install.
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