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Oct 23, 2012 | 04:27 PM

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ShoreRider

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Originally Posted by UltraNutZ

hear (and see) good things about the 222s. With that being said, take a look at the 254e cams as well. I was talked into those a few weeks ago and I couldn't be happier with the outcome. They pull strong and pull wide. Personally I wouldn't waste the time and $ on the 255s. they are simply a non-epa version of what you have in your 12' bike now.

Thanks for the feedback on the 255's. I'll look at the 254e cams as well before making the purchase.

Oct 23, 2012 | 05:42 PM

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mac0478

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Congratulations on your achievement and thanks for the awesome write up.

Oct 25, 2012 | 08:55 AM

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mgmmgm

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Early torque

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Originally Posted by Roadan

When I replaced my tensioners on my now traded in 05 Road King I also did the EZ install push rods but did not use lock tite on the lock nuts. I 2nd guessed it until I traded in so thats where my question came from. There doesn't seem to be a right or wrong way to do it. Based on the time you took to do a quality job I'm sure you'll have no problem.
Btw, I like what I've read about the Woods cam but I think the torque curve coming on sooner with the SE 255's may fit me better as most of my riding is under 4k rpm. Looking forward to your ride report.

Check out TW 222 cams the torque curve is at 100 ft/# from 2500 to about 4800 rpm.

Oct 25, 2012 | 08:58 AM

#154

mgmmgm

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Tw 222

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Originally Posted by ShoreRider

Thanks for the feedback on the 255's. I'll look at the 254e cams as well before making the purchase.

I am having TW 222 cams installed, check out Fuelmoto web site for dyno chart on those. Makes early torque that carries out pretty well.

Oct 26, 2012 | 03:00 PM

#155

iclick

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Originally Posted by UltraNutZ

Personally I wouldn't waste the time and $ on the 255s. they are simply a non-epa version of what you have in your 12' bike now.

There is a major difference in low-end and midrange response with the SE255 vs. the stock cams, so to say they are "simply a non-EPA version" of stock cams is an inaccurate assessment, IMO. This is something readily apparent when comparing specs, and I would suspect that you haven't ridden a bike with these cams installed with a good tune. They are standard in the 103 Stage II kits and CVO bikes and are thus EPA compliant in those applications. They can tuned to compliance in other applications as well.

Check around this forum for feedback on these cams and I think you'll find that almost all are very happy with the results, including me. They aren't for everyone, certainly not for those who want to maximize peak HP at high RPM, but for a meaningful power bump where most of us ride they work very well. They are especially useful as a bolt-in cam option for stock engines with 10:1 compression or lower, especially stock 96" motors.

All that said, if I had a 103" engine I would put these cams on the short list along with the 222 and Andrews 48H.

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Oct 26, 2012 | 03:25 PM

#156

UltraNutZ

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Originally Posted by iclick

There is a major difference in low-end and midrange response with the SE255 vs. the stock cams, so to say they are "simply a non-EPA version" of stock cams is an inaccurate assessment, IMO.

I'm certainly no expert here, just giving my opinion on the 255s from past experience.

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This is something readily apparent when comparing specs, and I would suspect that you haven't ridden a bike with these cams installed with a good tune.

i had them installed in my 06 RK and was not impressed at all. And yes you're probably 100% correct in it not being tuned properly, after all HD did it.

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Originally Posted by iclick

They aren't for everyone, certainly not for those who want to maximize peak HP at high RPM, but for a meaningful power bump where most of us ride they work very well. They are especially useful as a bolt-in cam option for stock engines with 10:1 compression or lower, especially stock 96" motors. All that said, if I had a 103" engine I would put these cams on the short list along with the 222 and Andrews 48H.

Truly what I was looking for was not peak HP @ high RPMs, simply to be able to roll on in 5th or 6th gear riding 2-up without having to downshift constantly as I found myself doing just as others do. When it came down to the final selection for me, I had 2 cams in my mind based on specs, price, availability, had to be bolt in; SE 254e and the 222s. My biggest determining factor was the 222s haven't been around very long and not much standing behind them as far as real-world experience other than FM's dyno charts which I'm quite impressed with and a handful of forum members that had them at the time. The 48H cams, I put in my 09 FLHTCU and was very pleased with as well. With the thunderheaders I had on that 09 and the combination of the 48h cams, turned into quite the handful for tuning. Again, these are just my opinions and certainly not a guideline for anything other than sharing experiences.

Oct 26, 2012 | 04:31 PM

#157

iclick

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Originally Posted by UltraNutZ

I'm certainly no expert here, just giving my opinion on the 255s from past experience. I had them installed in my 06 RK and was not impressed at all. And yes you're probably 100% correct in it not being tuned properly, after all HD did it.

That's interesting, as the SE255 cams aren't even available for an '06 RK and only fit in '07 and later engines. You must be confusing them with something else.

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The 48H cams, I put in my 09 FLHTCU and was very pleased with as well. With the thunderheaders I had on that 09 and the combination of the 48h cams, turned into quite the handful for tuning. Again, these are just my opinions and certainly not a guideline for anything other than sharing experiences.

The 48H works very well in 96" and 103" motors, but their design is very similar to the SE255. If you like one you'll probably like the other as well.

Oct 26, 2012 | 04:58 PM

#158

UltraNutZ

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Originally Posted by iclick

That's interesting, as the SE255 cams aren't even available for an '06 RK and only fit in '07 and later engines. You must be confusing them with something else.

The 48H works very well in 96" and 103" motors, but their design is very similar to the SE255. If you like one you'll probably like the other as well.

damn you're gonna make me dig up a receipt! :-) stay tuned....

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Oct 26, 2012 | 05:21 PM

#159

UltraNutZ

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funny thing is I no longer have the bike but I've got all the receipts. :-)

ok so I was wrong and I'll eat crow

receipt shows date of install 2/14/2006
cams - S&S 70 easy start cams
SE adjustable pushrods
bearings
hydraulic tensioner and bearing change
SEST
tuning/dyno