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Old Apr 11, 2010 | 04:26 PM
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Its not lugging if you don't apply to much throttle. If you cam one up then of course that all changes. Mine is stock and will pull just fine at 1500RPM. Intrepid is right on the money. As a matter of fact I don't know that Iv'e ever had it above 4000RPM.
 
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Old Apr 11, 2010 | 04:37 PM
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Well I'll just leave mine in first gear around town then. cause the speed limit is only 25 mph.
 
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Old Apr 11, 2010 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ryanl
Originally Posted by boogaloodude
you're basing this assumption on what??? These motors are perfectly happy at 1500 under a lot of conditions. I wouldn't go 2-up in 6th gear uphill and just roll on the throttle at 1500, but ridden respectfully, there's nothing wrong with keeping your motor in the lower rpm range. Lots of HD motors are tuned to perform better in the lower rpm range.
Based on the assumption that regardless of what gear your in if your at a low enough rpm you can hear the cylinders firing because you like the way it sounds or any other reason for that matter. YOU ARE LUGGING THE MOTOR, AND YOU ARE HAMMERING THE BOTTOM END OF YOUR MOTOR. Do you not agree that lugging the motor will do more damage to it then revving it to 5000rpm?
As boogaloodude is "trying" to tell you, and you're obviously not listening, is that if ridden respectfully (ie: gently), you're not going to be lugging the engine or hurting it in any way. As I tried to say in my previous post, lugging is as much about "loading" of the engine as it is about engine rpms and what gear you're in has a lot to do with it. It's much more difficult to lug the engine in 1st than it is to do it in 6th.

By your own admission, you're basing your opinion on an "assumption" and SCREAMING THAT OPINION IN FULL CAPS, doesn't make it true! I'd personally agree that running the engine continuously at the extremes, whether too fast or too slow, isn't good for it either way!

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Old Apr 11, 2010 | 04:57 PM
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1st to 2nd @ 15 mph
2nd to 3rd @ 25 mph
3rd to 4th @ 35 mph
4th to 5th @ 45 mph
5th to 6th @ 55 mph

These are the recommended shift points in my HD owner's manual... of course, I know that these are the bare minimum speeds to upshift, and assume optimum riding conditions (flat terrain / no steep incline, no strong headwind, not riding 2up, etc.)...

If I am not in a hurry, just tooling around town, and the conditions are right, I will use these shift points... the HD engineers know way more about this engine than I do, so why should I doubt them?

The spot my bike develops the max torque is 2,500 rpm per the owner's manual, so that is where I shoot for when climbing hills, riding in a head wind, getting ready to pass, etc.
 

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Old Apr 11, 2010 | 04:59 PM
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I fully understand what LUGGING the motor is.Never once did I say that riding at any particular rpm is lugging the motor. For instance 1500rpm downhill in 5th might work great, 1500rpm uphill same gear might be lugging. You can hear it when it happens.
No matter what gear your in, what rpm, riding gently or not you can still lug the motor and I hear people doing it all the time. Mainly because of the reason stated earlier "it sounds cool" have at it, like i said its your bike. That cool sound is the bottom end of your motor being beat to ****. BTW I only used the word assumption because boogerdude did, and I used all caps because I figured theres plenty of folks that have trouble hearing based on the number of riders I see lugging their bikes around town.
Bottom line, everybody rides how they want to. And everyone has an opinion, so.....
 

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Old Apr 11, 2010 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ryanl
That cool sound is the bottom end of your motor being beat to ****.
The bottom of your motor?! haha
Care to explain?
 
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Old Apr 11, 2010 | 05:08 PM
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A stock 88/96 likes a cruise speed of 2500-2800. You certainly won'shorten your engine life by running it lower, but fuel milage will suffer by lugging it.
 
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Old Apr 11, 2010 | 05:18 PM
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I don't even try to pass anyone on my 2010 to afraid of getting embarassed by some kids in a toyota or honda. Harley is just that a Harley. If you wanted handling or some sort of performance i think you would have bought something other than the HD. I've had one for 35 years and its my Registered street legal Briggs & Stratton. Still like it alot and at one time i thought that i was going to be real cool on a HD. Now i realize i'm the same as any other rider on any other motorcycle.
 
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Old Apr 11, 2010 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rushbass
1st to 2nd @ 15 mph
2nd to 3rd @ 25 mph
3rd to 4th @ 35 mph
4th to 5th @ 45 mph
5th to 6th @ 55 mph
Which on my bike has the engine turning barely over 2000 rpm after the shift. As you say, done conservatively and under appropriate conditions, it's not a problem at all!

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Old Apr 11, 2010 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by AlaskaAviator
Bullshit. Its only lugging if you if you apply to much throttle. I run mine down to 1500 RPM all the time in the twisty roads.
I agree with 09 Streetglider, Your lugging Your engine. Read Your owners manual, It will spell it out for You
 
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