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Old Aug 12, 2013 | 11:04 PM
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Why isn't this a MoCo recall issue?
 
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Old Aug 13, 2013 | 06:02 AM
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Some of these part are very easy to check with simple cheap meters that you should have. It could be your piggyback system affecting fuel. And Soft is correct in that the VSS (vehicle speed sensor ) is an input for idle speed control. I was thinking it only affect it when stopped and not moving. Are you sure your battery is good, and connections are tight. That will let pintle get lost on the IAC valve.
 
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Old Aug 16, 2013 | 02:49 PM
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OK, my idle issues are obviously most noticeable stopped at a light but even moving when I let off the gas, it is still idling high - same high idle as standing still. I have thought about removing the piggyback tuner but the detonation is terrible, especially in this summer heat. Battery connections are tight, I checked them wen I had the seat off while doing the IAC valve/stepper. Battery is about 3 months old and cranks just fine: it's a "Big Crank" since I gave up on the overpriced stock batteries.

TPS sensor is on the way next week since the dealer didn't carry them so I'll see how she does after that install.

Thanks for all the advice, appreciate it.
 
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Old Aug 16, 2013 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sargek
OK, my idle issues are obviously most noticeable stopped at a light but even moving when I let off the gas, it is still idling high - same high idle as standing still. I have thought about removing the piggyback tuner but the detonation is terrible, especially in this summer heat. Battery connections are tight, I checked them wen I had the seat off while doing the IAC valve/stepper. Battery is about 3 months old and cranks just fine: it's a "Big Crank" since I gave up on the overpriced stock batteries.

TPS sensor is on the way next week since the dealer didn't carry them so I'll see how she does after that install.

Thanks for all the advice, appreciate it.
Hope you have better luck than I did after changing the TPS. My bike ran great for about 2 or 3 weeks after swapping out the TPS but then started with the idle issues all over again. Cleaned out the IAC, same thing. Ran good for a few days then back to running like ****. When I have time I'll dive deeper into this to see if I can figure it out. Good luck! Hope it works for you.
 
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Old Aug 16, 2013 | 04:48 PM
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I hope so. I just pulled the piggyback tuner and put back the o2 sensors. Already running stock AC. Trying to eliminate the piggyback tuner as a possibility. It probably isn't but I need to try. I just did a check for codes and there aren't any. Started her up and she started and idled just fine. Sigh...I'll keep an eye on it after I change the TPS and post back the results. If the symptoms come back, I may take it to one of the local dealers and ask if there are any software updates for the ECM - I keep hearing about TT410 (?) for the '07's but not sure that has anything to do with idle issues.

Funny, but I have been looking at older carb'd Electra Glides. I freaking loved my carb'd Wide Glide because it just worked, no issues. I understand that newer things are mostly better and that technology is not really a bad thing but this stupid FI issue is driving me crazy...she's been a good bike until this crap started.
 
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Old Aug 16, 2013 | 04:53 PM
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Every TPS ive changed fixed the issue and mine only went bad cause they got water in them from riddin in the rain with an open air cleaner.
 
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Old Aug 16, 2013 | 09:28 PM
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I am pretty sure it's the TPS based on every post here about this issue but I still won't know until I change it. I'm sure it will be fine.
 
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Old Aug 17, 2013 | 08:26 PM
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I'm starting a new thread on this topic because I think it deserves one. Over the past few months I've emailed probably 20-30 PDF copies of HD's TT410 that addresses idle issues on '07 bikes, and new problems and requests pop up nearly every day. This tech tip bulletin covers low-idle problems, but I'm having a sporadic high idle issue.

In my case the bike will occasionally--maybe once every couple of weeks in winter, less-often in summer--start-up idling at around 2000 rpms. This started late last summer. No amount of throttle blipping will make it idle down to its usual 950 rpms, and if I don't stop the bike it will stay idling at that level until I turn it off. Usually I can turn it off at the handlebar switch, then off at the ignition switch, and when restarted will usually idle normally for the rest of the day and probably for quite a few days thereafter. For me it is more of an irritation than a real problem.

OTOH I have had a very few cases (maybe 3-4 over the last year) of poor idle that causes it to idle low and roughly, usually for only a short time that clears up on its own. It's never died during one of these rare spells, though. A tech at the local HD shop that I respect has an '07 and said he fixed his problems by replacing the IAC valve on the throttle body. I tried spraying some carb cleaner and lubricant into the IAC orifice just inside the throttle body and that seemed to help for a short time. A second application didn't seem to help, so I'm not sure my particular problem involves a sticky IAC valve. If I thought it was I'd swap it out in a second. If this was the culprit I would think blipping the throttle and/or just riding the bike would shake it loose, but it doesn't.

Someone on one of these threads mentioned that a download existed from HD that helped with these idling problems, but I haven't been able to verify this. Dawg? Hogdoc? Have you or any of our other resident techs ever heard of this?

Anyway, maybe by starting a specific thread on this issue we'll make some headway in finding out how to fix these problems, as it is affecting many '07 owners.

Anyone commenting on this topic please mention whether it is low- or high-idle, what you've tried to fix it, and if anything has worked.
Here is my experience with both stalling and high idle. 07 FLHR, both before and after mods, mostly stalling but also hi idle as well. Started around 12k now have 48k. Same deal, nuisance more than real trouble until this week. Happened to stall a lot after a highway run. Sometimes it would go away after cycling the key switch on/off five times. Sometimes it would idle high after doing that.

I could tell it was going to act up as it would start popping like crazy on decel. One day this week it started on the way to work (stalling). Bike sat for 10 hours and the stalling was still there. I stopped to grab some grub and cycled the key switch 5 times. When I got back on it was doing the hi idle trick. I was racing a thunderstorm and wanted to get home. The popping on decel was still there and got so bad that it nearly broke my rear head pipe in half! I thought I blew a head gasket it was so bad. I made it home, and found the cracked wide open pipe.

When I talked to the parts guy at Seminole HD I asked if there was an issue with pipes failing; he told me when ever there is a letter added to the end of a part number there has been a revision because of failures. Sure enough. I found a used pipe at a local shop, changed it out (100.00) and spent an extra $48.00 for a new TPS.

Man, I should have replaced that little bastard years ago! I am testing it out now and it runs like new.

A hard lesson, but ain't that what life is all about? I will let you know how it goes over the next week or so.

It is a challenge to change thanks to some *** -hat engineer, the back screw is so close to the fins on the rear jug. I heated up a screwdriver handle torx driver and bent it at a 30 degree angle to get that sucker out.
 
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Old Aug 17, 2013 | 09:27 PM
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TPS fixed mine last year. No problems since.
 
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Old Aug 22, 2013 | 08:20 AM
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Ok replaced both the TPS and IAC and brought the FI system back to bone stock to eliminate any other issues. Ride to work was perfect: started fine, idled fine ran smooth. The trip home will be the real test because it will be pushing 100 today and I want to see how she runs with only the stock ECM. Probably hot as hell but we'll see.
 
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