Originally Posted by LoneWolf01

No. I wish it included that. The turner and dyno are going to run another $820.00 according to them. I am new to Harley and have been reading here all I can to educate myself. Not sure about the hydraulic tensioners though. You just gave me some more homework. LOL. I am more familiar with vehicles. For the parts/ work it sounds high for some reason.

I bought this bike from this dealer. I didn't know it had a stage one on it until the service manager told me after I questioned him about the type of air cleaner I had; which that question was sparked by Bitchin Baggers who put on my Bagger Brace. I asked about some pipes and he said "your gonna need a heavy breather AC" and reached behind the cover and said "oh..., looks like you already have one". He said the bike already had the stage one and to double check with the dealer to see if it had the download as well.

Well long story short, the service manager finally told me I have the stage 1 but couldn't explain what type of download. Maybe now I am being paranoid but, I feel like, what else aren't they telling me? The bike thumps/ lopes at idle, a lot more than my buddies 96ci heritage classic. How would I know if it already had some sort of cam set?

Again, it could be paranoia but when I asked them about my 1.5 front lowering kit they installed, they said it was all measured up and all was well. That same indy was like "nope, sorry, that's only an inch" and proceeded to show me a SG with 1.5" lowering kit and mine was off by .5'' of an inch. So again, I took the bike back and they said during the next service they would correct it.

Anyway, How would one know if they had stock cams or an upgraded cam set if they were not informed by the dealer, service dept or previous owner. I ask because I am interested in the advertised extra pulling power of the 254s. Don't get me wrong, the bike pulls well now but, a little more won't hurt either. Thanks all.

Originally Posted by mtclassic

pulling the cam cover is pretty easy another easy thing to do is do a base line dyno run. If your numbers are higher then about 70hp/85tq you probably have a cam it wont tell you which one but then you will have an idea if you want to pull the cam cover to see. Most cams are marked on the ends. YOu will need to pull the cam plate but that too is easy if you have adjustable pushrods which in itself is probably an indication you have different cams. So now after typing that I would suggest pop of a pushrod tube clip and slide the pushrod cover up and see if you have adjustable pushrods. Only need a thin screwdriver and about 2 minutes to check.

Originally Posted by emwolb

i have the hd 259-E cams, and my 103 with 10.5 compression ratio runs really crisp. the 259-E cams have .579" of lift, and work great throughout the powerband, lacking nothing anywhere. it pulls strong from off idle to redline at 6200 rpm's. check out the 259-e's

Originally Posted by jpalm

Another thing. I just saw that you have a new bike and I thought knowing my situation might be useful to you. I don't know how it differs in Australia, but here, when I was looking to just change my cams I was told by some dealers that it will void my warranty and was told by others that it won't. This was even while in my initial 60 day post-purchase period, when all upgrades are supposed to be covered. I even called corporate and was told that it is up to the individual dealers to interpret the warranty. That is fine if the dealer that does it will warranty it, but what happens when I break down away from home near a dealer that interprets it differently?

Not telling you this to discourage you from doing it, just making sure you have some more information. I finally decided that I'll stick with my stage 1 until the warranty runs out and then I'll do whatever I want.