2001 FLHTPI Intake/Tuning Help
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I have a 2001 FLHTPI with the Magnelli EFI and the 1340 stage one kit installed. I hate the 1340 kit because of the return lines and the blow by, so, I have done some checking for aftermarket Stage 1 and Stage 2 Kits, and I am having trouble finding one. I have checked at he MOCO and they said that the Heavy Breather would not work on the Magnetti EFI system, Have checked with Arlen Ness, and they said their big suckers WOULD work on the Magnetti, but not on the 103 engines.... Does anyone have a 103 with a aftermarket A/C that they know fits that they could point me in the right direction???? Also, I have a Power Commander 3, I cannot seem to get the right tune on it. I purchased the Power Commander from FuelMoto, talked with Keith SEVERAL times, and I get the same tune over and over again. Still Decel popping, (installed Rinehart "True Duals" cuz I thought that would help, NOPE!!!!, still running hard, and every once and awhile it while just "burp" on me when running down the road... SO if anyone can help me... PLEASE do!!!!!!!!!!
I have a 2001 FLHTPI with the Magnelli EFI and the 1340 stage one kit installed. I hate the 1340 kit because of the return lines and the blow by, so, I have done some checking for aftermarket Stage 1 and Stage 2 Kits, and I am having trouble finding one. I have checked at he MOCO and they said that the Heavy Breather would not work on the Magnetti EFI system, Have checked with Arlen Ness, and they said their big suckers WOULD work on the Magnetti, but not on the 103 engines.... Does anyone have a 103 with a aftermarket A/C that they know fits that they could point me in the right direction???? Also, I have a Power Commander 3, I cannot seem to get the right tune on it. I purchased the Power Commander from FuelMoto, talked with Keith SEVERAL times, and I get the same tune over and over again. Still Decel popping, (installed Rinehart "True Duals" cuz I thought that would help, NOPE!!!!, still running hard, and every once and awhile it while just "burp" on me when running down the road... SO if anyone can help me... PLEASE do!!!!!!!!!!
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so does that mean you have a stroked ( taller motor) 103"?
and the wider spacing on the heads restricts what air cleaners you can fit?
blow by- you are running a pint low on the dipstick? you have the line routed to the ground?
If you have bad umbrella valves in the heads you are going to get more oil than otherwise, either you direct it into the intake tract or to the ground.
tuning: maybe you need to get the bike to a skilled local tuner--- think about installing an o2 sensor bung on your header pipe to get a good reading of HC levels.
if you know what you are doing a voltmeter hooked up to an o2 sensor can tell you what is happening ( which is how I tune the carbs on my evos and Panhead)
I've never considered decel popping a problem or indicator of one...how ever if you have problems with the motor maintaining power, then you have an issue- somewhere.
mike
and the wider spacing on the heads restricts what air cleaners you can fit?
blow by- you are running a pint low on the dipstick? you have the line routed to the ground?
If you have bad umbrella valves in the heads you are going to get more oil than otherwise, either you direct it into the intake tract or to the ground.
tuning: maybe you need to get the bike to a skilled local tuner--- think about installing an o2 sensor bung on your header pipe to get a good reading of HC levels.
if you know what you are doing a voltmeter hooked up to an o2 sensor can tell you what is happening ( which is how I tune the carbs on my evos and Panhead)
I've never considered decel popping a problem or indicator of one...how ever if you have problems with the motor maintaining power, then you have an issue- somewhere.
mike
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so does that mean you have a stroked ( taller motor) 103"?
and the wider spacing on the heads restricts what air cleaners you can fit?
blow by- you are running a pint low on the dipstick? you have the line routed to the ground?
If you have bad umbrella valves in the heads you are going to get more oil than otherwise, either you direct it into the intake tract or to the ground.
tuning: maybe you need to get the bike to a skilled local tuner--- think about installing an o2 sensor bung on your header pipe to get a good reading of HC levels.
if you know what you are doing a voltmeter hooked up to an o2 sensor can tell you what is happening ( which is how I tune the carbs on my evos and Panhead)
I've never considered decel popping a problem or indicator of one...how ever if you have problems with the motor maintaining power, then you have an issue- somewhere.
mike
and the wider spacing on the heads restricts what air cleaners you can fit?
blow by- you are running a pint low on the dipstick? you have the line routed to the ground?
If you have bad umbrella valves in the heads you are going to get more oil than otherwise, either you direct it into the intake tract or to the ground.
tuning: maybe you need to get the bike to a skilled local tuner--- think about installing an o2 sensor bung on your header pipe to get a good reading of HC levels.
if you know what you are doing a voltmeter hooked up to an o2 sensor can tell you what is happening ( which is how I tune the carbs on my evos and Panhead)
I've never considered decel popping a problem or indicator of one...how ever if you have problems with the motor maintaining power, then you have an issue- somewhere.
mike
Thanks for the reply.....
1. I have the Stock 103 Police Motor, According to 3 dealers I talked to, it has the Magnetti EFI system, nothing will bolt up to it...
2. I run through about .5 quarts every 1000 miles, and the return line for the AC is re-routed right back into the intake behind the plate...
3. I am having Keith at FuelMoto send me the tunes, I have heard that they are one of the top tuners in the US, so i am going to give them a chance to get it right before I go local.
4. I know, they have had me adjust the fuel tables up and down, the sound of the popping is the only thing that really changes, more fuel=low pop, Less fuel= a CRACK pop!!!!
I am stuck!!!! Lets see what Keith can do!!!
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If your bike is an 2001 and has the stock motor its not a 103. Harley didn't but 103's in the Police bikes until 07 or 08. The stock motor in 2001 should have been the Twin Cam 88. If you have a 103 it's a later motor or stroked not stock.
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Additionally if you have the 1340 stage 1 kit that would be for the old 83ci Evo. Not the TC88. You need to find out exactly what you do have or have a professional tuner dyno tune it. Your not going to get anywhere with maps if you don't know whatcha got. Good Luck.
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Mike,
Thanks for the reply.....
1. I have the Stock 103 Police Motor, According to 3 dealers I talked to, it has the Magnetti EFI system, nothing will bolt up to it...
a.) probably not and yes
2. I run through about .5 quarts every 1000 miles, and the return line for the AC is re-routed right back into the intake behind the plate...
b.) so you can route that hose down to the ground if you want- some ( me) install a pcv valve from an automobile, whatever fits on the hose and costs less than $5
3. I am having Keith at FuelMoto send me the tunes, I have heard that they are one of the top tuners in the US, so i am going to give them a chance to get it right before I go local.
c.) good
4. I know, they have had me adjust the fuel tables up and down, the sound of the popping is the only thing that really changes, more fuel=low pop, Less fuel= a CRACK pop!!!!
d.) popping depends on a number of issues including air leaks into the exhaust system- I use 2/1 pipes so I get a fair amount of noise when i am slowing- 1.) it lets the guy behind me know that I am slowing- 2.) it lets cars sitting at a stop know I am approaching
I am stuck!!!! Lets see what Keith can do!!!
Thanks for the reply.....
1. I have the Stock 103 Police Motor, According to 3 dealers I talked to, it has the Magnetti EFI system, nothing will bolt up to it...
a.) probably not and yes
2. I run through about .5 quarts every 1000 miles, and the return line for the AC is re-routed right back into the intake behind the plate...
b.) so you can route that hose down to the ground if you want- some ( me) install a pcv valve from an automobile, whatever fits on the hose and costs less than $5
3. I am having Keith at FuelMoto send me the tunes, I have heard that they are one of the top tuners in the US, so i am going to give them a chance to get it right before I go local.
c.) good
4. I know, they have had me adjust the fuel tables up and down, the sound of the popping is the only thing that really changes, more fuel=low pop, Less fuel= a CRACK pop!!!!
d.) popping depends on a number of issues including air leaks into the exhaust system- I use 2/1 pipes so I get a fair amount of noise when i am slowing- 1.) it lets the guy behind me know that I am slowing- 2.) it lets cars sitting at a stop know I am approaching
I am stuck!!!! Lets see what Keith can do!!!
Possible that if a dealer runs your VIN he can determine what the displacement of the motor is. 88 was stock, 95 a common upgrade by boring the cylinders out.
The current 96 is the same motor stroked...and the bored version of that is the is the 103"
otherwise a shop can determine ...or you by taking a cylinder to bottom, filling it through the spark plug hole with measured amount of motor oil- then multiplying by 2.
Twin Cam cop bikes did not have "hi perf. motors" like the earlier evos did ( I have an FXRPolice that runs better than 135 with minimal changes).
twin cam cop bikes had motors which spec'd the top 10%, but no special cams, milled heads etc.
Mike
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