New 103 on a 2012 or keep 2010
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Joined: May 2009
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From: Oregon
Ok...you guys shot the hell out of fun and excitement of a new ride....
Mine has over 8K on it....stage I.....I have played with big bore kit and cams on a previous RG with crap results....my fault another story another time.
I know this is reaching but I was concerned or thinking about 2012 being last year for air/oil cooled and water being 2013. I know Kalifornia is going to a no mod exhaust law.......so maybe getting the last of the great twins......
Wife says I am full of it....and that I am keeping the 2010....yes dear......
Mine has over 8K on it....stage I.....I have played with big bore kit and cams on a previous RG with crap results....my fault another story another time.
I know this is reaching but I was concerned or thinking about 2012 being last year for air/oil cooled and water being 2013. I know Kalifornia is going to a no mod exhaust law.......so maybe getting the last of the great twins......
Wife says I am full of it....and that I am keeping the 2010....yes dear......
Road Warrior
Joined: Mar 2008
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From: Oh
The first two items on this list are some of the reasons why I did not buy a 2011 RKC. IMO Harley has not been making good decisions on some changes to recent bikes. The 103" runs hotter than our 96" bikes because Harley decided to just bore the cylinder liners (making them thinner) rather that make up new sleeves. They did put in an SE comp but, even that should have been engineered with heavier springs. Every year can bring with it some new issues but, if yours runs good and you are having no problems, keep it. My 96" is just fine and like has been said, with a stge 1 will run with the 103".
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From: Vermont
The issue that would make me nervous with the 2011 and 2012 models is the change to the lack of rod bushings. To me that is a huge hit to save a few bucks on manufacturing. The only real 2010's weak link seems to be the comp sprocket. I can change that to the upgraded Screaming Eagle for a whole lot less than what I'd lose on a new bike. I've ridden a few 103's and don't feel much if any difference between the stock 103 and my stage 1 96. And frankly, the 96 is quieter and much cooler. Again, I did do a simple stage 1 on the 96.
A couple bucks into your 96 will wake it the f*$k up. Do the obligatory "Stage 1" kit and if that's not enough toss in a set of cams.
The guys here are right, there isn't much difference between a 96 and a 103 if both are bone stock. Yeah, on paper there is a difference but in reality you'll hardly be able to feel the power difference. If you're upgrading simply to get more power save yourself a crap ton of money and just work on your 96.
For a "Stage 1" upgrade:
Put on a pipe (FuelMoto, Fullsac, S&S, whatever), a free flowing K&N style filter (BigSucker, FuelMoto, SE, doesn't really matter), a set of slip ons (pick out what you think look and sound cool) and a tuning device (PC-V, SEPST, TTS, FuelPak, whatever). A dyno tune will help.
If that's not enough toss in a set of cams. In your application a TW 6-6, SE 255, Andrews 48 etc would work just peachy. A hundred different guys here will give you a hundred different answers on what cams to get. A full "Stage 1" and a dyno tune are more or less mandatory for a cam swap.
FWIW you can go to FuelMoto's website and they'll sell you a complete, proven in the real world, kit. There are a bunch of other websites that will do the same.
If money is not an object here FuelMoto sells a killer 107 kit that will blow your hair back. The difference from 96 - 103 isn't much but going to a 107 is huge. Reasons being: There's a lot more to a "107" kit than a few cubic inches. You'll go to 10.5:1 compression with a Wood 555 cam, air cleaner, pipes, and mufflers or in plain English 68hp to 106hp give or take. If that isn't enough for you get a Honda CBR1000RR.
The guys here are right, there isn't much difference between a 96 and a 103 if both are bone stock. Yeah, on paper there is a difference but in reality you'll hardly be able to feel the power difference. If you're upgrading simply to get more power save yourself a crap ton of money and just work on your 96.
For a "Stage 1" upgrade:
Put on a pipe (FuelMoto, Fullsac, S&S, whatever), a free flowing K&N style filter (BigSucker, FuelMoto, SE, doesn't really matter), a set of slip ons (pick out what you think look and sound cool) and a tuning device (PC-V, SEPST, TTS, FuelPak, whatever). A dyno tune will help.
If that's not enough toss in a set of cams. In your application a TW 6-6, SE 255, Andrews 48 etc would work just peachy. A hundred different guys here will give you a hundred different answers on what cams to get. A full "Stage 1" and a dyno tune are more or less mandatory for a cam swap.
FWIW you can go to FuelMoto's website and they'll sell you a complete, proven in the real world, kit. There are a bunch of other websites that will do the same.
If money is not an object here FuelMoto sells a killer 107 kit that will blow your hair back. The difference from 96 - 103 isn't much but going to a 107 is huge. Reasons being: There's a lot more to a "107" kit than a few cubic inches. You'll go to 10.5:1 compression with a Wood 555 cam, air cleaner, pipes, and mufflers or in plain English 68hp to 106hp give or take. If that isn't enough for you get a Honda CBR1000RR.
After reading this, you just convinced me not to get a new RGU and keep my RKC, and I'm thinking of the $20,000 plus I just saved, and can dump a quarter of that into the motor!
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From: So Cal The Golden State
Ok...you guys shot the hell out of fun and excitement of a new ride....
Mine has over 8K on it....stage I.....I have played with big bore kit and cams on a previous RG with crap results....my fault another story another time.
I know this is reaching but I was concerned or thinking about 2012 being last year for air/oil cooled and water being 2013. I know Kalifornia is going to a no mod exhaust law.......so maybe getting the last of the great twins......
Wife says I am full of it....and that I am keeping the 2010....yes dear......
Mine has over 8K on it....stage I.....I have played with big bore kit and cams on a previous RG with crap results....my fault another story another time.
I know this is reaching but I was concerned or thinking about 2012 being last year for air/oil cooled and water being 2013. I know Kalifornia is going to a no mod exhaust law.......so maybe getting the last of the great twins......
Wife says I am full of it....and that I am keeping the 2010....yes dear......
That said if you are taking a hit in the stock market or bike market. Me I could care less about the bike market I just ride. But the bike has held its value better than the Stock market.
Also what weights in my decision to trade to own your bike or owe on bike. If I can swing a trade and not go in debt than I go for it.
Road Master
Joined: Jun 2010
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From: Upstate New York
From a monetary stand point you're better of keeping what you have. The longer you keep it the cost of ownership goes down. However, I've never thought of a motorcycle as an investment. For me it falls in the entertainment expense category. I don't ever expect to get back any of the money I've spent on a motorcycle. I do expect to be thrilled every time I throw my leg over it.
Road Master
Joined: Jul 2006
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From: Western PA
I think you missed something! The op was referring to stock motors, 96 vrs. 103. HD does not offer a 107. 107's that are offered by FM, HQ, Hillside, etc. produce substantial gains in HP and TQ. These 107's will smoke a stock SE 110. Everytime!
Road Master
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From: Trenton,N.J.
Since I am loosing my butt with the market these days, My 2010 Ultra is great with no issues, but its value is going down as mileage goes up. The idea of getting new bike is passing thru my mind....Is the 103 with the stock cam worth the trade? I know from a monetary stand point it may be stupid but.... any of you guys with 2011 or 2012 got an opinion
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From: Trenton,N.J.
Not much difference there either.103 to a 107 is not worth the money either.A 103 built right will run with a 107 all day long!!!
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From: SoCal
I didn't miss anything, I only know what someone posts, they didn't mention using a kit from a shop. Anyone can put a 107 together using the proper pistons and not use a kit to do it, just like a 103. And the Jersey Jet here is right about a built 103 versus a built 107, the difference will be maybe 4hp between the 2 maximum, all things being equal, not worth tearing it apart.
Last edited by qtrracer; Aug 23, 2011 at 10:11 AM.